Talk:The D.O.C.

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2005 rewrite[edit]

The whole article needs rewriting.. I've done some, but He was easily one of the fiercest lyricists that the West Coast had ever witnessed--a combination of Ice Cube's scowling aggressiveness but balanced with a sophistication that would have rivaled KRS-One at his best. With a ragga-tinged flow, he could drop lyrical bombs with fury on "It's Funky Enough" or sublimely style for "The Formula."

Definitely needs a good de-POVing. --Szabo 04:26, Feb 2, 2005 (UTC)

The lyrics presented in the OHHLA link have been misinterpreted (as they often are): for instance, in "It's Funky Enough", he actually says "Enunciate well /so that you can tell/ I am not illiterate/ no not even a little bit". The file says "An M.C. ate well/so that you can tell..."---which is wrong. Anyway, a lot of the lyrics on OHHLA are misquoted, because the people who type them up are mostly just "private individuals" who type the shit up as they hear it. Alexander 007 03:49, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I've tried to add some things and leave away/change some things. In any case, the D.O.C. was never a ghostwriter for NWA etc., because he's credited in the liner notes. Wathiik 15:24, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"It was the friendly competition between Ice Cube and The D.O.C. that elevated N.W.A's lyrics to the point of nihlism." I don't think the person who wrote this has any idea what "nihilism" means... which is kinda inexcusable on a site where you can look up anything you want.

What does D.O.C. stand for?[edit]

Does anyone know what the D.O.C stands for? They're obviously not his initials. --Glaze 20:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What does D.O.C stand for.... That is a good question, could sum1 who knowz put that info in the article PLS. Peace Out! Wut Does it stand for?? I'll use a search engine and get back to y'all...

The D.O.C. stands for Disciples of Chris, as it says in "music video database." --Flesh-n-Bone 15:14, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Assuming Chris does not equal Christ, who is "Chris" ? --Rajah (talk) 08:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure about the Disciples of Chris thing? I always thought D.O.C stood for Dallas, Oak Cliff, which is in the western part of Dallas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.96.2.207 (talk) 23:49, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The D.O.C. used to go by the name Doc-T, but he changed it to D.O.C. so it would resemble N.W.A. since, even though he wasn't officially a member of N.W.A., he worked with them closely as a writer and as an associated act. OdensGod (talk) 06:08, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Blatant POV[edit]

This article more accurately belongs on a fanpage than an encyclopedia. It is highly biased, and filled with POV. I'm tagging it for cleanup. ---Jackel 23:46, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation[edit]

For someone who is not knowledgeable about this, it would be helpful to include how the D.O.C is pronounced (is it letter by letter - the D Oh See or is it 'the DOC')

Snoop talks of "the Doc" on Doggystyle, but that could be a reference to Dre. I say "D-O-C". Tim Ivorson 2006-08-21

Formally, it is "D-O-C" but due to the relaxed attitude of Snoop Dogg etc. it is sometimes said as "Doc" however you will have to base on context whether the person being talked about is Dr. Dre or The D.O.C.

It's either-or, and has absolutely nothing to do with any relaxed attitude Snoop may or may not have. In "NWA and the Posse," the D.O.C refers to himself as "the Doc;" In "EFIL4ZAGGIN," Dr. Dre says: "Some funky shit by the D-O-C."

Eminem[edit]

In Encore Dre and Em say "The return of the "DOC" then it says Oshea. Does this talk about the D.O.C. and Oshea could be Ice Cube???

  • I personally do not know but I thought it was a reference to Dr. Dre's upcoming album Detox

If they said Doc, then it could refer to either Dre or the D.O.C. But if they pronounced the letters then its definitely refering to the D.O.C. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.105.34.224 (talk) 08:33, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dre has never been referred to as "The Doc." With Dre, it is either "The Doctor" or "Dre." With the D.O.C it is either "The Doc." or "the D-O-C." In fact, in his first solo album, there is a song called, "The Doc and the Doctor," that illustrates this point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.96.2.207 (talk) 00:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
In 'Still A Nigga", Eazy says "Dresta's an OG, Doc is a phony", and he's clearly referring to Dre, not the D.O.C.--94.64.53.50 (talk) 16:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Place of Birth[edit]

There seems to be some disagreement on where The D.O.C. was born, Dallas or Houston. I'd appreciate it if any further edits to his place of birth were sourced by a reputable source in accordance with WP:BLP. shoy 00:31, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Citations[edit]

This article has been tagged for needing citations. Here are some of the statements:

"The D.O.C. is reported to have written most of NWA's second album Efil4zaggin[citation needed]. The other writer for the album was MC Ren[citation needed]. The D.O.C. went on to introduce Dr. Dre to Suge Knight[citation needed], and he helped mold the career of Snoop Dogg[citation needed]."

There's an interview with the D.O.C. at the following website: http://www.thaformula.com/d_o_c__-_ruthless_to_deathrow.htm

in which he talks about doing most of the writing for N.W.A. and helping out Snoop and Suge Knight being his "body guard" (he describes him as being a 300-lb guy who followed him around). I don't know how to add citations otherwise I would have put them in. Can someone add them? thanks. Drumac 18:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia[edit]

"In Jay-Z's Song Public Service Announcement (Interlude) from The Black Album he says 'Not D.O.C. but similar to them letters No One Can Do it Better'"

"The song "It's Funky Enough" has appeared on popular videogames Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, True Crime: Streets of LA and Madden 2005. Also, Whirlwind Pyramid appeared on Tony Hawk's Underground 2 and The Formula appeared on True Crime: Streets of LA."

These two pieces of information are trivia and should have their own section (if kept at all) because they don't fit with the main page. the Jay-Z quote probably shouldn't be mentioned at all. The D.O.C. has been mentioned in songs by many artists from Snoop and Dre to countless others.

this article needs a complete rewrite, it is terrible! craker

That is P.O.V and I deleted a bunch of trivia that was either false, already in other parts of the article, or not really necessary, like listing a bunch of songs where other artist's mention him. Drumac 03:00, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Origin[edit]

Bottom line guys, on the origin whoever said that it was L.A. is dead wrong... D.O.C. is from Dallas,Tx. Resources = my own father, he went to North Dallas High School with D.O.C. and played basketball. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.185.223.89 (talk) 03:12, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Best Rapper?[edit]

I love DOC. I think he's great. But if the only source you have about who's the greatest is, Jerry Heller, who isn't exactly a scholar of rap, maybe either find a better source or take it out. 2601:42:801:9FA0:3733:5174:63F5:29C7 (talk) 14:35, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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