Talk:Everything Must Go (Steely Dan album)

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The interpretation of "Godwhacker" seems absurd to me. While Steely Dan has intentionally produced absurd things in the past, it seems to me that making such claims in Wikipedia should require proper sourcing, which isn't here. The interpretations I've seen for this song are much more literal: Killing God. (Muhammed a prohet, not god, and certainly wasn't around "in the beginning.") I think it should be removed if it can't be sourced. 131.107.0.73 (talk) 22:52, 12 June 2008 (UTC)Bill Bolosky, USA[reply]

"The song "Slang of Ages" is notable for being Steely Dan's first released studio recording in which Walter Becker performs lead vocals (co-leader Donald Fagen being the group's usual lead vocalist). "

Becker sung the lead vocals on "Show Biz Kids" on their Countdown to Ecstasy album 87.198.18.56 (talk) 12:05, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm revamping the article as much as possible for two reasons. One is that I think it's poorly written, organized, and formatted. The other is that all the above comments are in agreement that the interpretations made by the original author are speculative and unsourced, not to mention just being plain silly. If anyone thinks that I'm in no position to make these changes, then by all means, just revert the article. --Supergra

I finished a bunch of changes. I'm still definitely not happy with the article, but I hope it is better. I'm too tired at the moment to make further changes. Substantial changes:

  • I removed the claim that "Everything Must Go" went platinum. A search of the RIAA Gold and Platinum Database shows that it didn't even go gold.
  • I reworded all the goofy September 11 stuff and made it less assertive. However, I removed only the most spurious of the claims, and left the theory largely still there (organized under a different subsection title). I think the whole thing should be removed, but I won't make that call.

Things that should still be looked at:

  • Is the assertion that Everything Must Go was "considered an inferior followup" to Two Against Nature justifiable or proper?
  • Does the part about Walter Becker singing belong in the intro?
  • Should the "Song References" section even be there? If it should, it needs better formatting. I'm not familiar with the customary way of handling series of lyrics quotations.

68.198.114.127 (talk) 02:55, 29 September 2010 (UTC) I don't find anything wrong with the article. Why? IT'S ONLY ONE PARAGRAPH! I don't understand why you're so dissatisfied with such a short article about an album nobody know about unless they're a Steely Dan fan.[reply]

--Supergra

Serious issues[edit]

I have tagged the article for a lack of references and added three 'citation needed' tags. For a short article barely more than a 'stub', this article has some serious issues. For one thing, since it appears this album did not manage to go gold, comparing it to Two Against Nature as far as sales appears to be blatantly wrong.Jusdafax 07:46, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

UPDATE: I have reverted all the way back to December 27, 2009. Clearly there were a number of dubious edits to this article. It still has no refs, so I have left the article tag and a relevant 'citation needed.' It does appear that the album failed to go gold; this version correctly notes that at least. Jusdafax 15:49, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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No source is given for the claims that the album refers frequently to the 11 Sep 2001 attacks. The author claims that Becker & Fagen have admitted this, but gives no reference to support this unlikely claim. The opinions and discussions of fans cannot be cited as authoritative. Becker & Fagen's lyrics are known to be obscure and deliberately teasing; they're rarely transparent in the way the author of this page suggests. Certainly I find it an extremely far-fetched, and potentially inflammatory, claim that Godwhacker is an anti-Islam song. I will remove these claims unless convincing sources are added.--Rubyediting (talk) 17:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am happy to find Rubyediting's comment, as I too find the author's claims regarding lyrics presented within Everything Must Go to be rather dubious - at minimum, such claims should be supported with appropriate citations, as Wikipedia is not a forum for the author's kind of speculation. 118.167.180.241 (talk) 14:28, 3 April 2008 (UTC)Jamie Parker, 22:27, 3 April 2008[reply]

Yes, please remove these very far-fetched claims already. Being a Steely Dan-devotee myself, I've never even remotely interpreted those texts in the stated fashion. For instance, "hang with the dude" could easily refer to the person of bin Laden, and how the US previously trained and supported him, and not the much more time-tested and eternal figure of the Muhammed, prophet of islam. Also, the comments on the text to the title track seem highly subjective and, to me, unlikely to represent the possible lyrical intentions of the authors. Regards from Erik, Norway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.37.40.112 (talk) 14:52, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Whoever authored the bulk of this article, and not least the lousy "Godwhacker"-interpretation, is a hack, or extremely mislead by misguided nationalism.. Erik, Norway —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.37.40.112 (talk) 14:55, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the "misguided nationalism" Erik refers to is a bit much, but I will agree that the author's interpretation is simply that - his interpretation, and a preposterous one at that. As a Steely Dan devotee for three decades, I have yet to see any overt references to political matters in their material, much less the dubious references presented by the author. Take it down!

Rich, NH USA

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