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Comments[edit]

Order of battle[edit]

Regarding the complaint posted on the order of battle: The list badly needed to be wikified, and I tried to organize things by squadron (to avoid a duplicate long list of ships in the middle of the article). I did not realize the original order was important; my apologies. I have a long weekend vacation coming up; is no-one has fixed the article before i come back, I plan to put the ships back in a table with column headings as follows:

Order
Name
Type
Captain
Squadron
Comments

Will this do? Sysin 15:48, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I have added a table with the Russian ships (in order) listed. I think all the information is now in there but in case I missed something the old text is below. I don't think there is enough info for a table for the Turkish - I'll work the information into the text.

Ships involved:[edit]

On 5 July, the battleships came into action in the order listed:

Russia (Count Orlov)[edit]

Orlov's squadron
- Battleship:
  - Tri Ierarcha 66 (flag of Count Orlov, captain Greig)
- Bomb Ship:
  - Grom 12
Spiridov's squadron
- Battleships:
  - Evropa 66 (captain Klokatchev)
  - Sv. Evstafii 68 (captain Kruse) - Blew up, 5 July
  - Tri Svyatitelya 66
  - Sv. Ianuarii 66
  - Rostislav 68
- Frigate
- Sv. Nikolai 26/38?
Elphinston's squadron
- Battleships:
  - Ne tron menya 66
  - Saratov 66
  - Svyatoslav 84 (Elphinston)
- Frigates:
  - Afrika 32
  - Nadezhda 32
- Armed merchant ships possibly involved:
  - Sv. Pavel 8 (pink) or Potchtalon 14 (despatch vessel)
  - Graf Tchernyshev 22 (hired English)
  - Graf Panin 18 (hired English)
  - Graf Orlov 18 (hired English)
Other
- Fireships: (about 718 guns, total)
  - ? (Dugdale) - Sunk by 2 Turkish galleys, 7 July
  - ? (Mackenzie) - Scuttled and attacked a ship already burning, 7 July
  - ? (Ilin) - Scuttled, 7 July, burning 1 ship
  - ? (Prince Gagarin) - Stayed out
  - A number of Greek armed merchant and pirate ships

Turkey (Hosameddin)[edit]

Details uncertain - about 1300 guns total

Real Mustafa 84 (Hassan Pasha) - Blew up, 5 July
Rodos 60 - Captured, 7 July
? 100 (flag of Hosameddin?) - Burnt, 7 July
11-13 other battleships - Burnt, 7 July
6 frigates - Burnt, 7 July
6 xebecs - Burnt, 7 July
13 galleys - 8 burnt and 5 captured, 7 July
32 small craft - Burnt, 7 July

Andreww 06:50, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

More info[edit]

I found a history of the Russian Navy with a page on the Battle of Chesma. This may be useful for fact checking and giving sources. Does anybody have better references? Andreww 23:42, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My reference is the "Naval Battles in the Levant 1559-1853" for all of the battles in this area. Most battles don't seem to be even mentioned anywhere else, let alone described in detail. I prefer a table or list showing both fleets, rather than the way the page is now, with one in a table and one in the text, but oh well. SpookyMulder 15:06, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Where exactly was it?[edit]

It would be nice if someone actually pointed out exactly where in Ceshme this battle took place. I have been going there for the summers for years, and there is no mention or trace of this catastrophy (depends on one's point of view I realize!) and I can not find any info where exactly this battle took place (not that I searched it that exhaustively). All I know is that in most of the waters around Ceshme one can not anchor or dive, the area is protected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.77.162.23 (talk) 01:25, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]