Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seven forms of lightsaber combat

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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was keep and move to Lightsaber combat. —Korath (Talk) 01:56, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)

Seven forms of lightsaber combat[edit]

If Wikipedia is not a "general knowledge base", and no sources are cited, does that suggest that this is original research? In any case, should this be deleted in accordance with the Wikipedia:Deletion_policy? Does this article hold potential to become "encyclopedic"? Please discuss. --GRider\talk 21:31, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Nomination withdrawn as sources have now been cited by qrc. Would support a rename if appropriate. --GRider\talk 17:51, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: do you think that the fact that you currently have two Requests for Comment and a Request for arbitration outstanding against you for making VfD nominations such as this should make you think twice about such a nomination? Is the fact that this process is widely considered disruption of Wikipedia to make a point insufficient to deter you? Do you plan to justify your conduct to anyone, either in the ArbCom case, on your talk page, or anywhere, or is your self-righteousness such that it is your role to question, and the role of others to meekly concur? Discuss. Slac speak up! 23:37, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and/or Transwiki 1) I've heard about this many times in the Star Wars EU; it's not something made up by fans. 2) A source is cited. Did you not even look at the article's history? The person who made the article gave a link to where he was coming from. 3) Sidenote: GRider has a lot of nerve and shouldn't be making VfD nominations. Aidje 00:22, 2005 Mar 29 (UTC)
  • Keep and/or Transwiki. The source [1] does seem to check out. But I applaud GRiders nerve in nominating all kinds of fancruft equally, mostly people stick to the minority stuff. Kappa 00:35, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep After reading "Star Wars: Attack of the Clones: The Visual Dictionary," (DK Publishing, Dr. David West Reynolds) which included information on the fact that certain Jedi/Sith use certain forms, I seeked out the more complete explanation of them. The book didn't go into detail; I looked on the Web and finally found that source [2]. After cross-checking the information in the book (which is considered true Star Wars material) with that webpage, I found the webpage to be accurate to its best, so I decided to add the information to Wikipedia. Assuming that that webpage wasn't the only source (a likely source was Star Wars Insider, from which that webpage probably got its information), I noticed also that a file I downloaded for a Star Wars game noted in the readme those same Combat Forms with all information the same. I did not cite the Visual Dictionary book because its information on the forms was less than complete, and I did not cite the downloaded file's readme's combat Form information because it was exactly the same as the webpage. So to my best knowledge it is true. --qrc 03:01, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC) Additional edit: ah, after revisiting the source, I noticed that it did indeed cite Star Wars Insider Issue 62. (See the very bottom of the page.)
  • Keep. There is now several sources. It's not original research, I've read about the different forms on various sites myself. -- Crevaner 07:33, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, and expand. Megan1967 07:57, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Rename to Lightsaber combat and keep as important concept. Radiant_* 09:52, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep or Transwiki to Star Wars Wiki. No rename needed. This needs to stop, GRider. --

Riffsyphon1024 01:07, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete. This is the ultamite example of fancruft. This article is completely unencyclopedic, and could never be encyclopedic.
  • Keep though I would prefer to see it renamed as Lightsaber combat, and redirect from "Seven forms...". -- Lochaber 11:08, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep IF renamed Lightsaber combat and much work is done to diferentiate between the content of films and the terms from the EU. Drhaggis 01:43, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Random question: I'm the author the initial page; I'm not a Wikipedia expert; I'm just wondering if that "Votes for Deletion" box at the top of the article ever gets deleted upon our finding that the article is safe to stay (the box's contents instruct me not to delete it)? Apparently it is, and I'll be first in line to rename it Lightsaber combat and expand upon it if someone else doesn't get to it before me, so I was hoping that that ugly box didn't have to stay there forever. :) --qrc 01:40, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

I'm not any expert either, but I think it's okay to remove the VfD thing since GRider withdrew his nomination. I went ahead and took the VfD box off; I hope that I'm not doing anything wrong, but the person who nominated it closed the discussion as far as I can tell. I think it might be a good idea to rename the page to "Lightsaber combat". Then the page would explain that Lightsaber combat consists of seven forms blah blah blah etc etc. I left the move for you to do if you want to. Aidje 01:52, 2005 Mar 30 (UTC)
The procedure is for the page to remain on VfD for a week: don't worry, it's not in any danger as there's a consensus to keep. Standard procedure is usually for an admin to remove the box after the page is removed from the VfD listings. You can ask an admin to delist the page, but there's an anomaly if it's listed here without the box appearing on the page itself. So while this VfD discussion is still live, I think the box should stay. Slac speak up! 05:54, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Okay, thanks Lacrimosus (or do you prefer Slac?). I responded to your message on my talk page. Aidje 04:30, 2005 Mar 31 (UTC)

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