Talk:Final Fantasy Tactics

Dev interview

Newly translated interview from 1997 was just posted on shmuplations. Would be good for someone to go through and pull info: http://shmuplations.com/fft/ TarkusAB 10:06, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Action Performance Produces Experience Points

Where does the citation of "whenever a unit performs an action successfully, it gains Experience Points (EXP) and Job Points (JP)." comes from? Pages 10-11 of manual state only that "experience points are gained during battle", saying nothing about how and when they are gained. Asking that, because FFT seems like a nice example to cite in Last-hitting_(game_design) article and other places regarding experience points production. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NikitaSadkov (talk • contribs) 18:07, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

FA concerns

Looking at this one as part of the ongoing FA sweeps. It looks like there's some sources in here that would likely be challenged at a FAC in 2021.

• MusicBrainz is not RS
  • Removed
• MobyGames is listed as unreliable at WP:VGRS
  • Removed, information should be sourced in the article body. Z1720 (talk) 22:36, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
• Frontline Gaming Online is also listed as unreliable at VGRS and is used multiple times
  • Removed
• Critique of Games seems to be fairly obscure, is this a RS?
  • Removed
• There's got to be a better source for Several historical and mythological references were altered by translators: for instance, the Norse World Tree, Yggdrasil, makes an appearance as Yugodorasil; the word "breath" is consistently rendered as "bracelet" in attack names; and Wiegraf's name is nearly homonymous with Wiglaf, a character from Beowulf, but rendered differently that "aboutlanguageschools.com"
  • I removed this as it didn't really describe the development process, and the translation/grammar issues are described in "Reception". Z1720 (talk) 22:58, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
• What is Chudah's Corner, and is it RS?
  • It accepted submissions of reviews, so I considered it unreliable and removed it. Z1720 (talk) 21:37, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
• "drizzt908's Final Fantasy Tactics Member Review for the PS". " appears to be some random user review. Yes, GameRevolution is listed at VGRS as reliable, but we'd need to establish that this was a staff review.
  • Removed
• I know Destructoid is sometimes useable and sometimes probably not, is Chris Carter one of the usable reviewers?
  • Chris Carter is a paid staff member according to his bio on the site, so I think he's usable. Z1720 (talk) 21:39, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
• According to VGRS, GameFAQs is unrelaible
  • Removed

The sourcing here needs quite a bit of work to get up to FA standards. If this is not addressed, a featured article review may be necessary. Hog Farm _Talk 05:14, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Hog Farm, this article is on my "I'm gonna fix it eventually" list. Can we delay bringing this to FAR? I will try to continue editing it next month. If editors reading this want to collaborate on improving this, please ping me. Z1720 (talk) 02:40, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

@Z1720: - Yeah, I'll downgrade this to notes and remove it from the noticed list so nobody will take it to FAR. Hog Farm _Talk 02:41, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Some notes from a quick skim: the gameplay section begins with "encounters take place on three-dimensional, isometric fields" without even explaining, in general, what the game is about. Do these encounters form 100% of the game? Is there anything else?

The genre is mentioned in the lead and infobox, but nowhere else. Remember that the lead is supposed to summarize information ALREADY present in the body; there should be no unique information in it. Looking at it some more, the lead also mentions something about a "new engine" and "bitmap sprites" which I can't find anywhere. The lead definitely needs work, perhaps a rewrite while making sure that only information already present is added.

The development section is very lightweight, I assume that an exhaustive attempt at finding more sources has already been done?

Inside the reception section you have talk of awards and cult followings. This doesn't strictly belong in there, I'd either add these in its own subsection or rename the reception section to encapsulate this content.--Megaman en m (talk) 22:03, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

• From a glance, development section is very short. It should be expanded, at the very least, with this developer interview and this composer interview. There may be other development information out there. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 03:52, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
  • @TarkusAB: I've expanded the development section, hopefully to a suitable length. All but one of the sources that were there were over the borderline of acceptability in a GA, let alone an FA. As to the music, I found an interview with Sakimoto where he talks directly about Tactics's music. And this one with Masaharu Iwata: "Interview with Masaharu Iwata". RocketBaby. 2002. Archived from the original on August 13, 2006. Retrieved January 19, 2010. --ProtoDrake (talk) 09:34, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Nice job. Yea I think that's a suitable length. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 09:55, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Right, I've expanded the dev and music sections as much as sensible with the sources I could find, including sourcing its release dates per region, its Western publisher, and got a bit about its localization. --ProtoDrake (talk) 13:59, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

@ProtoDrake, TarkusAB, and Megaman en m: Thank you for your reviews and amazing edits to this article. I found this article at WP:URFA/2020, an initiative to assess and fix up older FAs, or nominate articles to WP:FAR if they are far from meeting the featured article criteria. I hope you will go there and help with the video game articles, as we would like to improve as many as possible and maybe have them appear on the main page as today's featured article. Some responses to the concerns above:

• Taking inspiration from Final Fantasy VII, I added info at the top of Gameplay about the two modes of play: battles and world map. The genre was added to Gameplay earlier this month by another editors. I removed the sentence from the lede that talked about bitmap sprites and the 3-d isometric map as I do not think it is necessary there, though I am open to a revert and reword if others disgree.

• The added information in development is fantastic. I moved the cult information to the legacy section. I merged some legacy paragraphs together with similar information (sequels/remakes, trading card games, etc.). I kept the awards info in reception as I think it belongs there, as awards show the reception the game had within certain communities and I don't think there's enough information to put it in its own section.

Is there anything else that needs to be completed before it appears at TFA in June? If not, can you mark this article as "Satisfactory" at WP:URFA/2020? Thanks. Z1720 (talk) 18:01, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

@Hog Farm: Can you take another look at this and post here if there are any concerns? Z1720 (talk) 00:34, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Z1720: I'll take another look at this tomorrow. Trying to get a draft article about a duel worked on tonight so that I can send a book back to the library. Hog Farm _Talk 00:47, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Further comments

• "Battles are turn-based; a unit may act when its Charge Time (CT) reaches 100 and increased once every CT unit (a measure of time in battles) by an amount equal to the unit's speed statistic. When CT reaches 100 or greater, the unit may act" - I think something is off in the "and increased once every CT unit" as it doesn't really fit with the rest of the sentence. Also, it's a bit redundant to say a unit may act when its Charge Time (CT) reaches 100 and When CT reaches 100 or greater, the unit may act in consecutive sentences
  •  Removed
• The prose in the plot section seems to be redundant in one area - the reader is told that Goltana and Larg are at war about three times
  • I kept the first reference of Larg and Goltana being leaders of the Lion War, but removed the rest. Z1720 (talk) 03:26, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• ""Final Fantasy Tactics Review | Edge Online". 2013-05-21. Archived from the original on May 21, 2013. Retrieved 2016-03-11." - publisher needed
  • Added author, publisher, and website to ref Z1720 (talk) 03:26, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• "Justin Boot (2009-02-06). "Final Fantasy Tactics – PSone review at Thunderbolt". Thunderboltgames.com. Archived from the original on 2016-03-12. Retrieved 2016-03-11." - listed as inconclusive at WP:VGRS; is this a high-quality RS for FA purposes?
  • I removed both references. I might restore the information from the character section if I find a better source. Z1720 (talk) 03:26, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• "Alder, Davon (2000-07-14). "Square Expands Millennium Collection". Square Haven. Archived from the original on 2007-12-19. Retrieved 2007-12-13." - is Square Haven high-quality RS?
  •  Removed Z1720 (talk) 16:28, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• What makes Final Fantasy Hacktics RS?
  •  Removed Z1720 (talk) 16:28, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• ""Here's A First Full Look At Ramza In Dissidia Final Fantasy". 2016-01-29. Archived from the original on 2020-12-24. Retrieved 2019-02-10." - publisher needed
  • Added, also added author name. Z1720 (talk) 16:28, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• Weird question? Does the WikiQuote link towards the bottom comply with WP:COPYLINK? Because there's some substantial quotes of copyrighted materials there ...
  • I have no idea. I assume that, since it is a sister project, we are allowed to link to it. COPYLINK says, "It is not necessary to obtain the permission of a copyright holder before linking to copyrighted material." Since these are quotes, and not the full script of the game, I do not think it violates copyright. Z1720 (talk) 16:28, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

That's it from me; looking forward to marking this as satisfactory once these are addressed. Hog Farm _Talk 01:42, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Hog Farm: Sorry for the delay, I got busy in real life. Responses above and ready for another look. Z1720 (talk) 16:28, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

@Hog Farm: Can you take another look please? Thanks. Z1720 (talk) 16:33, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Z1720: - Sorry I forgot about this. Yeah, these changes look satisfactory. Marking as satsifactory at URFA. Hog Farm _Talk 20:44, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

David Fuchs both Hog Farm and Z1720 have marked this "Satisfactory" at WP:URFA/2020A. I could be the third "Satisfactory", but it would be more conclusive if coming from you, as a topic-knowledgeable person :) Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:03, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

SandyGeorgia I will endeavor to take a look this weekend or early next week. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 16:58, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

David Fuchs this is on Gog the Mild’s tentative list for February TFA; might you find time to have a final look? Happy New Year! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:41, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Agh, forgot about this. Will look at this weekend for realsies. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 16:30, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

I had placed this on WP:TFAP for June 20, the game's 25th anniversary. I sent a message to Gog to see if this article can be delayed. Z1720 (talk) 16:32, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Swapped out for Final Fantasy XIII-2. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:37, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

David Fuchs maybe we could trouble you to look in there as well :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:01, 8 January 2022 (UTC)