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Name[edit]

The German (.de) Wiki page on this location is called Werwolf and a comment in the Discussion page points out that the name of the headquarters in German reference sources is always Werwolf and not Wehrwolf. I doubt that Hitler (more noted for his conceit than for humour) would have made such a weak play on words as adding a "h" to Werwolf to make it Wehrwolf. I stand to be corrected... ( 21:15, August 15, 2010 213.191.227.168 (talk), who didn't sign this comment)

Good point, but the German Wikipedia Commons section is 'Wehrwolf' - so we'd better find some citation one way or rhe other and then adjust the article accordingly. --Smerus (talk) 18:23, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have never heard the name "Wehrwolf" used, and it seems like a bit of a stretch. For one, the name would indicate a defensive stance, very much unlike Hitler's attitude towards the warfare in the Soviet Union. (The nickname "Wolf" of course refers to Hitler himself.) I haven't gone through all sources at my disposal about this period, but at least one authorative work, John Toland's biography of Adolf Hitler (John Toland (1976). Adolf Hitler. p. 1120. ISBN 978-0385420532.) without exception refers to it as "Werwolf". In my edition (from 1976) it says on page 978: "Hitler moved his headquarters deep into the Ukraine […] a few miles northeast of Vinnitsa. Christened Werwolf by himself, it was an uncamouflaged collection of wooden huts located in a dreary area." (My emphasis) Toland mentions it by name three other places, on pages 980, 982 and 1003. I believe this in itself is sufficient to move the page, however, I'll keep looking for some more documentation. I couldn't find either name in most sources I've checked, such as "Hitlers Weisungen für die Kriegsführung 1939–1945" or the Kriegstagebuch by the OKW.

It's by no means important to me personally, but Wikipedia should of course use a sourced reference for the correct name. The reason given for the name used now is completely unsourced, so I'd welcome it if anyone could find a source to corroborate or disprove it.

If there are no objections, I'll move the page in a week or so if nothing new turns up. Asav | Talk 06:20, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: Antony Beevor in his work Stalingrad also refers to it as Werwolf. "As an alternative to Wolfsschanze at Rastenburg, it was code-named Werwolf. (The word Wolf, an old German version of Adolf, clearly gave the Führer an atavistic thrill.)" (Page 97 in my 2001 paperback edition.

So I'll forego the wait and just boldly move the page. Asav | Talk 06:37, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

POWs, forced laborers, hired workers and Jews[edit]

I read that all non-German men were shot after construction is completed to secure top secrecy of the HQ. Then, Soviets bombed the HQ after they discovered its existence (thanks to actions of Nikolai Ivanovich Kuznetsov), but Hitler was already on his way back to Germany. -- Bojan Talk 18:01, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

can you give citation for where you read this? --Smerus (talk) 18:24, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Branko Kitanović, Čovek koj je uzdrmao Treći rajh (The man who shooked the Third Reich) [1] -- Bojan Talk 03:28, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

questionable source in the article[edit]

Quotations are presented from "The Hitler Book: The Secret Report by His Two Closest Aides". John Toland is listed as the author which is false. The book is an edited version of a Soviet report prepared after the war by the NKVD based on the prison interrogations of Heinz Linge and Otto Guensche. Calling them the authors is equally questionable in the circumstances.

The story about those who built werewolf being killed has, as far as I know, no other sources and was not repeated/confirmed by Guensche or Linge after they were released by the Soviet Union. Its a questionable story.

At the very least, the authorship of the source should be clarified. I would suggest attributing it to Soviet Union. 70.234.240.186 (talk) 07:36, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]