Talk:Vilayat Inayat Khan

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Disputed?[edit]

What is disputed about this? It seem spretty factual and straightforward to me. -- Zoe

The earlier versions were definitely written from a zealot POV. Now, only thing that might still be NPOV about this article is the use of Pir in the title of his name, it is an honorific title, something like Sir or Lord not part of his name. It is used by his followers who beleive he has some special status and should always be so honored. I tried to take out any NNPOV stuff because what was there was written like promo material. Should the page be moved to Vilayat Inayat Khan?

Here is a definition of pir:

http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/ddsa/getobject_?HTML.p.4:9./projects/artfl0/databases/dicos/philologic/platts/IMAGE/

pir -- P pir (S. pitq?; Old P. piyar), s.m. An old man; a saint; a spiritual guide or father; a priest; founder or head of a religious order; -- Monday: -- pir-bha'i, s.m. Follower of the same spiritual teacher or guide, fellow-sectarian: -- pir-bhucri (see bucar), s.m. A priest of the hijaras; -- pir-bhuc-ri-ki karha'i, s.f. An offering made to the priest of the hijaras on the admission of a novice:-<-> pir-pal, s.m. An assignment of land for the support of a pir, or for keeping in order the tomb of a saint: -- pirpairavi, s.f. Following the guidance (of, -ki): -- pir-zada, s.m. The son, or the disciple, of a pir; a priest attached to a mosque; a mendicant: -- pir-zal, pir-zala, pir-zan, s.f. An old woman: -- pir-mard, s.m. An old man: -- pir-murgan, s.m. Chief priest of the Magi; -- the prior of a Christian monastery; -- a tavern-keeper: -- pir karna, v.t. To make (one) a spiritual teacher or guide; to elect a spiritual teacher, &c.

From Platt's Dictionary of Urdu, classical Hindi, and English (London: W. H. Allen & Co., 1884)

Alex756 00:31 May 12, 2003 (UTC)

Looks like it should be moved to Vilayat Inayat Khan, then. -- Zoe

Done. Alex756 05:34 May 12, 2003 (UTC)

Moved discussion[edit]

From wikipedia:votes for NPOV:

"* Pir Vilayat Inayat Khan

** JeLuF May 25, 2002, because : written by an admirer of the Guru, should really be NPOVed

** PierreAbbat June 1, 2002, because : Internationally recognized among leaders? Leaders of what? Of Sufism? Sounds like it came from a brochure advertising him as speaker.

** Alex756 April 26, 2003, I've tried to do some NPOV on these two Inayat Khan articles and wikified them a bit. Do they need to stay here?"

above moved from wikipedia:votes for NPOV. It's an old comment, but I couldn't be sure that it had been fixed, since I lack the relevant knowledge. Feel free to remove the header if you think it's a resolved issue. Martin 01:14, 12 May 2003

Citizenship[edit]

What was his citizenship? 13:13, 9 June 2013‎ User:Oliver Puertogallera

Pretty sure it was British. Certainly not Pakistani. I have no idea why this article has been put under Pakistan. SedgwickMJR (talk) 14:37, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not a guru[edit]

He was not a guru. He taught people about many different spiritual paths and then encouraged people to follow the one that was best for them. That is quite unlike what a guru does.

Although deeply meditative, he was also far more intellectual than most people who get a guru label. He was much more curious, and teaching curiosity and leading people to curiosity; rather than ever saying "this is how it is", like most "gurus". It might be more accurate to call Khan a mystic rather than a guru, as he preferred to live in, and explore, the mystery, much like mysticism is also about living, or at least aiming to live, in the mystery.75.80.114.227 (talk) 07:07, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, he was accused by several female followers of having lured them into sexual liaisons under the guise that it would be good for their spiritual growth. This has been largely suppressed by his followers but remains a fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.195.52.191 (talk) 20:38, 14 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Notability[edit]

I'm not sure why anyone doubts the notability of this person. He was one of the major figures of the New Age in Europe and the US, followed by thousands of people. Pretty notable in my view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SedgwickMJR (talk • contribs) 14:35, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]