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name[edit]

The name of this party is the Radical Left not the Radical Centre. I tried to change it but I can't. Can someone please change it? Thanks User:Pimpalicious May 1, 2004 7:32 (ET)

No, the name of the party is neither Radical Left or Radical Centre. It's either "Det Radikale Venstre" (Danish) or "The Danish Social-Liberal Party" (English). Literal translations are not always correct translations. /TroelsArvin

Naming convention[edit]

I'm considering changing the name of this article, as per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English). aliceinlampyland 14:16, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, please. This article has been through endless name changes. Sigh. What would you change it to? TroelsArvin 19:19, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
We agreed in the past that the naming convention does not necesary always mean that a the name should be in English. For this party the Danish name is usually used also in English. Electionworld 22:18, 8 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I support moving the article to Danish Social Liberal Party. The Economist, has the following list of parties in the Danish Parliament: Liberal Party (V; 52 seats); Social Democratic Party (SDP; 47 seats); Danish People's Party (DF; 24 seats); Conservative People's Party (KF; 18 seats); Social Liberal Party (R; 17 seats) Socialist People's Party (SF; 11 seats); Unity List (UL; 6 seats). --Bagande 18:24, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Danish[edit]

The strangest thing about the current name of the article is the inclusion of "Danish", which isn't included in the party name (its an anti-nationalist party). Social Liberal Party (Denmark) would seem to be more appropriate.--Batmacumba (talk) 08:40, 15 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The only other Social Liberal Party where the nationality is included in the name of the article is the Croatian, where it is actually part of the party name in Croatian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Liberal_Party).--Batmacumba (talk) 08:46, 15 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It seems that the party includes "Danish" in the official English translation of their name.[1]·maunus · snunɐɯ· 09:11, 15 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well, what they are doing it to translate the appendix Danmarks Social-Liberal Party (the Social Liberal Party of Denmark) to the Danish Social Liberal Party, while leaving the main name Radikale Venstre untranslated.--Batmacumba (talk) 12:11, 15 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No, that is not what they are doing, they clearly give this as the party's English name: "Introduction to the Danish Social-Liberal. Party Radikale Venstre (the Danish Social-Liberal Party) was founded as an independent party in May 1905." ·maunus · snunɐɯ· 13:46, 15 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Clean-up[edit]

I just rewrote some of the sections in this article, they seem to have been written or edited by someone with a grudge against the party. I haven't checked who is been quitely vandalising the page, but I am going to monitor it from now on.

The three sections 'Internal conflict' '2007 election' and 'relationship to other parties' needs to be merged and rewritten to form coherent story, since they discuss many of the same events.

I would prefer to remove the section 'international comparison' completely. It is not accurate, and it is hard to write a comparison that isn't biased one way or another. The party is best described as centrist (as by danish scale), or by its exact policies. Carewolf (talk) 17:49, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with removing the international comparison. As you say, it would be difficult to do that section properly, and describing the exact policies of the party would be a much better of handling this. Hemmingsen 18:28, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The word "left"[edit]

The statement "The use of the word for "left" in the name of the former mother party Venstre and the Norwegian party Venstre is meant to refer to Liberalism and not Socialism." is incorrect. The Danish word for "left" refers to socialism/communism. My understanding is that the name of the party comes from the side of the Danish parliament the conservative/liberal "right wing" parties sat on - and has nothing to do with political ideology. I have only heard this from Danes and can not verify this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.249.106.205 (talk) 22:55, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Danish word "venstre" (or "left") does indeed refer to socialism/communism nowadays, but it hasn't always done so. The terms left wing and right wing as used to describe political ideologies are older than both socialism and the Danish parliament, and have their origin in the French revolution and seating arrangements in various French assemblies of that era, so they date back to around 1790, but Karl Marx did not publish Das Kapital until 1867 or so. See for example Left-right politics and Glossary of the French Revolution. Their use in Danish party names seems to stem from nicknames for the political groupings that dominated the Danish parliament from 1840s to the 1860s. Bondevennernes Selskab, the liberal ancestor-party of Venstre and Radikale Venstre, was called "Venstre", the National Liberals were called "Centrum" and the conservatives were called "Højre", so even in a Danish parliamentary context the terms seem to predate socialism.
I am not sure when the tradition to sit left/right according to ideology was adopted in the Danish parliament, but I don't think it was used in the first Folketing hall (the one in the Christiansborg that burned in 1884). Here the seats were arranged in a "U"-shape so that only the speaker was sitting at center, and as far as I know the tradition was for the ministers to sit by the window, and since this would have been to the left as seen from the speaker, as best as I can tell from the few low-quality pictures I have lying around, and since the ministers of that period more often than not were conservative or right wing they couldn't have been sitting left/right according to ideology. The current seating arrangement of concentric semicircles (or approximately semicircles, anyway) with the speaker at center was used in the temporary parliament in Fredericiagade (from 1884 to around 1918), so that is probably when Danish politicians began sitting left/right according to ideology.
That's my 2 cents worth, anyway, and I apologize for failing to keep it short. Hemmingsen 16:52, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The name of this party is actually the Radical Left 94.173.220.233 (talk) 13:09, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that "Radical Left" is the more literal translation, while "Radical Liberal" is the more accurate translation of the name. I have removed the labeling of the former as "misleading" from the lead, as the term "Left" is, if anything, the more misleading translation. HGilbert (talk) 17:45, 1 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Seeking comments on changing the color used for the party[edit]

Hi :)

I just recently updated the color of People's Movement against the EU because the previous color (green) had very little to no association with the party. However after doing this, I noticed that the color change made the color too similar to which of this party. I believe one of most the important parts for political pages is to make sure parties do not have too similar colors, so that each party is easier to differentiate from other parties. For this reason I want to hear if I could gain consensus for changing the color of 2 parties, or whether this would not have support. I want to change the color of this party and the Moderates. I believe that the colors should fit the media colors, and therefore want to have the colors fit three important sources - DR ;TV2 ; Official parliament site.

So my wish is to change the color for the Danish Social Liberal Party having   to having  

and Moderates having   to having  

Editor Gust Justice, who has created a lot of maps for Danish elections, also uses the colors I proposed on his maps, so the pages of Danish elections already include these colors to a degree. I will fix the parliament diagrams if this is approved. Thomediter (talk) 16:59, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I support this change. It is not without precedence either; the Green Left use red in their material, but the color used here on Wikipedia is pink, as in the sources cited. Stowgull (talk) 18:33, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support The color used for the Moderates are   by both DR and TV2. On ft.dk it's  . I have personally used   on File:Folketingsvalget 2022 - Fordelingen af mandater.svg, which is slightly different, but that should not be seen as official. I would agree to use the color used on DR and TV2 on Wikipedia as well.
The colors used for Radikale are   for DR,   for TV2, and   for ft.dk. I have intentionally used the same color as DR for my maps. I would use the same color on Wikipedia as well. Gust Justice (talk) 19:16, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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