Talk:Gothpunk

Gothpunk was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS but only one person said keep. Largest number of people said redirect, which is what I've done. Message left at Talk:Gothic fashion about possible merge. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 17:20, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Delete and/or move to Gothic fashion article. Grice 23:05, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Merge into Gothic fashion —siro χ o 03:58, Nov 2, 2004 (UTC)
Article is factually incorrect, instead should describe the people who are at the intersection of the goth and punk scenes, and how the scenes interact. Gothpunk isn't a style, it's a social form. Not sure if it'd be better to start from scratch or do a drastic rewrite. Abstain --Improv 06:38, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Move/merge Krupo 07:38, Nov 2, 2004 (UTC)
Delete rather than merge-redirect: What folks call "goth" comes from the Gothic music created by, most especially, the band Bauhaus (and The Cure had already been doing it) and then Love and Rockets. What do these three bands have in common? They're punk acts. Why Bauhaus? Because of their song "Bela Lagosi's Dead" -- gothic horror movie, song about -- featured in the movie "The Hunger." In other words, "Goth" has always been punk. The article serves to fill no need. Geogre 12:41, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. Yes, see also The Misfits. Delete. Terrapin 20:51, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Response to Geogre -- the start of a new genre often involves people who were present in the old. I don't think that proves that all goth is punk. Further, goth and punk are social movements, and are not just about the music. --Improv 16:55, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- That "Goth" has come to be inflated somewhat into a convoluted culture (first as a critical adjective for theatrical punk, then as a pejorative, then as a self-identifier, then as a scene, then as a marketing system, then as a scene, then as a culture with its own rules), that's fine, but my problem is that calling something "gothpunk" is rather like calling something "hard rock heavy metal." In terms of the music, where the generic label still applies, all goth is punk. "Punk" is the broadest term since "jazz": it should encompass everything from Yazz to Circle Jerks. Geogre 22:19, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Well, maybe punk "should" encompass a variety of sounds, and judging from its history and offshoots, that was probably the idea, but it didn't happen. Instead, punk became an orthadoxy, with those who didn't follow that dogma being labeled post punk, new wave, goth, and so on. The rigidness that punk became is why its offshoots should be considered something different rather than punk. Grice 11:00, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Like far too much of the text of the goth-related articles, this appears to have been created off the writer's head. I would like to say redirect to goth or a similar article. No 'merge' unless SOLID references can be found. They're out there, I'd love it if people would use them - David Gerard 00:04, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Keep and rewrite or merge. Deleting is not a good way to "start from scratch" nor is it necessary. It is a good way to shove an article under the carpet and forget about it... --L33tminion | (talk) 19:13, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

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