Talk:Jayavarman VII

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Someone should check out this site: http://angkor1431.tripod.com/index/id19.html

perhaps the author would consent to its content being used.

More Java related info needed

Jayavarman 2 spent his early years as a hostage prince in the court of Majapahit in Java. He was sent to Camdoia to establish a nhew Javanese colony- but instead rebelled- which lead to his military defeat and the sacking of his cities by the Javanese. Angkor Wat was also designed and supervised by Javanese architects, a scaled-up model of Prambanan. three are several insciptijs on Ankor which give thanks and tribute to the Javanese architects.Starstylers (talk) 13:17, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

rather old

Hi!The article reads: "Also in 1178, Jayavarman came to historical prominence by leading a Khmer army that ousted the invaders. At the time, he may already have been in his 60s. Returning to the capital, he found it in disorder. He put an end to the disputes between warring factions and in 1181 was crowned king himself"
This implies he is over 60 and rules for another 40 years. It is, of course, not impossible, but a rather extraordinary claim, which requires extraordinary verification.

All the best
Wikirictor (talk) 06:26, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

The intro sentence gives his birth year as 1125, that would have made him 57 yrs old in 1178. I agree, while not totally implausible, it would be exceptional. The approximate years of his reign are fairly consistent in the various sources. I can't find, however, any source for his birth year. I think that 1125 is very suspect. His father ruled from 1150 to 1160. Assuming that this was at or near the "prime of his life", Jayavarman could have been born later than 1125. All of the information from this era comes either from Khmer chronicles, Cham chronicles or Chinese records, each of which emphasizes certain aspects (i.e. their own glory) while downplaying others and contradict each other more often than agreeing.

This article is misleading or just plain wrong in other aspects as well. Upon his father's death, Jayavarman's cousin (or possibly brother), Yasovarman II, became king although Jayavarman probably had the better claim. For reasons unknown to us, Jayavarman didn't seek the throne, however, choosing instead to sojourn in Vijaya, the central City-State of the Cham Mandala. During this time, he inserted himself into internal Cham politics, making allies of a certain faction of Cham princes and consequently enemies of another faction. According to Andrew David Hardy and Mauro Cucarzi in Champa and the Archaeology of Mỹ Sơn (2009), the Chinese version of events (that Angkor was invaded, sacked and occupied by the Cham in 1177-1178) is unreliable at best. Information from both Khmer and Cham chronicles indicates that, after the relative outsider Tribhuvanadityavarman assassinated Yasovarman and took the throne, Jayavarman lobbied (or maybe manipulated) the Cham to attack Angkor to unseat the usurper. In fact, Jayavarman himself may have led the Cham army that took Angkor in 1177. Upon the success of this campaign (which was a land campaign, not the naval one reported in the Chinese records), contemporary Cham inscriptions tell us that Jayavarman, with the Cham factions allied to him (including at least two Cham princes, probably including Vidyanandana) turned on the Vijaya Cham faction and took Angkor for himself based on his birthright. After consolidating power and bringing all of the empire and much of Champa under his control, he sent the two Cham princes and their armies back to Vijaya to maintain Cambodian authority as a reward for their support in his quest for the throne. However, once given authority in their homeland, his former Cham allies became "unreliable" and attempted to assert independence, prompting Jayavarman's invasions of Champa in 1190-1191. Cham inscriptions then fall silent for many years until the mid-13th century when they become more "nationalistic" (for lack of a better word) and completely ignore the earlier Cham allies of Jayavarman.

But, I digress. We should definitely try to nail down his birth year/age. In the meantime, I will try to compile my sources and see if I can find time to work on the article.--William Thweatt ^TalkContribs 09:06, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks a lot for this comprehensive info. You obviously have done a great deal of research. Hence I suggest you review and rewrite the whole article.
ATB Wikirictor (talk) 01:06, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

2013?

Last sentence in section Chronology goes: "In 2013 Champa finally became a Khmer province.[7]:78–80"
Wikirictor (talk) 14:26, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

That was added with this edit a while back. It is obviously incorrect. As can be seen in the diff, the cited reference originally belonged to the previous sentence.--William Thweatt ^TalkContribs 23:37, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

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