Talk:Gulbuddin Hekmatyar

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More sources?[edit]

What gets qualified and what doesn't in this article doesn't make any sense to me. For example, it unflincingly said that Hekmatyar received $b's of anti-Soviet US military assistance, but shied away from saying that he was aided by the ISI, which was the conduit through which the US funded the anti-Soviet resistance dollars. I've tried to strike a reasonable balance, but better, we need some more sources... DanKeshet

You need to read the book "Bear Trip: Afghanistan's untold story" by Brig. Youssif to know about these complicated issues. The comments about his ISI/CIA links are quite accurate as mentioned here. I think he mentions that over 20% of all the CIA money supplied for anti-Russian resistance were given to his party through ISI.

Second edition (probably third edition too) of Politics of Heroin by Alfred W. McCoy has all the information on Pakistans formation of Hekmatyars group in the early 1970s, the CIA funding & arming through ISI, protection of his heroin syndicate, and lovely anecdotes about Hekmatyar throwing vials of acid into the faces of women who refused to wear veils. LamontCranston (talk) 02:10, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Politics of Heroin 2nd & 3rd editions by Alfred W. McCoy has a good account of Hekmatyars biography in the 1960s & 1970s (where he originated the practice of throwing acid in the faces of insufficiently modest women), working for the ISI and the Americans in the late '70s & 1980s,--94.219.215.75 (talk) 13:50, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rockets on Kabul[edit]

I think the article should also mention the many reports, that Hekmatyar more and more attacked other Mujaheddin groups instead of the Soviet invaders. During the siege of Kabul it was him who kept firing hundreds of rockets a day indiscriminately into the city killing lots of people. This is widely known and published, I have also heard this by talking to witnesses who were in Kabul during that time (among them my own mother).PS: There is also this accusation, that he used to throw acid into the faces of women who weren't dressed according to (in his eyes) 'Muslim laws'...following Messhermits comment in the Massoud and Fahim biographies, that one should basically keep unproven rumours until they re proven to be wrong, I guess it should be added here, too!? haroon 18:26, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Since you are new in Wiki, I will not pay attention to that kind of attitude against my person. If you don't have anything important that can contribute to create a better article, pls restrain from editing. Messhermit 20:13, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I won't say anything about your person, anyone who wants can see it from the articles, comments and edits you have made. I had posted this comment to point out the double standard about rumours and facts. Since those instances have been corrected, completing this article with more information about Hekmatyars crimes is not that high-priority. haroon 21:34, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What is unqualified is baffling too: ISI's patronage of Hekmatyar in particular is said to be "certainly" based on his military record. This is unsupported PoV. Alternatives (ideological and political motivattions) are not presented to qualify this assertion. And the reference for non-involvement of the CIA in favouring Hekmatyar is not sufficient; even if it were accepted, the CIA clearly was involved in it.

Hekmatyar A Friend Of Pakistan[edit]

I wonder why someone put up tese comments saying Pakistanis calll him power hungry and this and that.I have done ost research on Hekmatyar and met several journalists who know him...especially people from Karachi's Takbeermagazine....Hekmatyar has always been a Pro Pakistani and thats why he never wagd war against Pakistani backed Taliban despite losing power.....so need need to say he is power hungry..--Yahoo 13:12, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dostum to Hizb-e Wahdat Connection[edit]

The article makes reference to "Dostum's Hizb-e Wahdat". However, Dostum was Uzbek and therefore not the leader of Wahdat, which is primarily ethnic Hazara. However, in 1992, as Najibullah's government fell, Dostum defected and formed a coalition with Wahdat and Jamiat.

Prime Minister boxout[edit]

He's in twice as being Primer Minister of Afghanistan. Both occasions have the same dates of his tenure, but have different successors/predecessors. I've added a contradiction message Murphykieran 18:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hizb-i Islami[edit]

According to the CIA World Fact Book there are several groups who's titles begin with Hizb-i-Islami. None of them mention Hekmatyar. Which one is he affilitated with?

Gulbuddin Hekmatyar is a gay, many people in Afghanistan saying this. Wen he was a young boy he used to live with a homosexual feudal in northern Afghanistan. He has many sexual skandals and everybody knows him as a gay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.212.51.193 (talk) 22:42, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Check this out: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/indict/2002/02cr892.pdf Hekmatyar and bin Ladin go back a long way. LDH 17:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Soviet "Resistance"[edit]

The article (especially in the "Early Life" section) still lionizes Hekmatyar's supposed resistance against the Soviet occupation, but in their books Peter Bergen and Steven Coll both accuse Hekmatyar of doing most of his fighting against other Mujahideen (especially Massoud) and generally avoiding battle with the communists. Nomenclaturist 21:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Bergen and Steven Coll are biased sources with political agendas. Their "work" should not have been incorporated into the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.205.57.121 (talk) 10:53, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

CIA Support[edit]

"It is important to note that the CIA had no official active involvement in allocating funds to individual resistance commanders; the ISI exclusively decided who to provide funds and arms to"

What if this sentence was written this way: "It is important to note that Al Qaeda had no official active involvement in allocating funds to individual resistance commanders; the ISI (Islamic State of Iraq) exclusively decided who to provide funds and arms to"

Basically that line sounds like apologist bs to me. Richard Cane 04:46, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"ISI" == Inter-Service Intelligence Directorate -- an organ of the Pakistani Government. It has nothing to do with Iraq. I have never heard of Iraq being called the ISI. Geo Swan (talk) 19:10, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Read the second, and possibly third, edition of Politics of Heroin. Its all there. LamontCranston (talk) 04:49, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

{{cn}} see talk[edit]

The article currently states:

  1. B.Eng. 1968
  2. "However, he started his political life against the Soviet influence and opposed Daud Khan's government and escaped to Pakistan"
  3. Founded Hezbi Islami in 1975.

But, Mohammad Daoud Khan's government wasn't overthrown by a Soviet-back communist coup until 1978 -- so what Soviet influence was he against?

Also, the article states he founded schools for both girls and boys. If he supports education for women then how could he be allied to OBL and the Taliban?

Cheers! Geo Swan 13:15, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ?
  2. Daoud was allied with the Parcham faction of the PDPA, and the Soviet Union donated large quantities of military equipment. This was the Soviet influence that was opposed by Hekmatyar and the other islamists.
  3. Correct, though the exact circumstances are a bit hazy.
As for founding schools: it sounds very unlikely, and without a reference, should be deleted. --Raoulduke47 11:39, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Check Politics of Heroin, it explains this. Pakistan first backed him starting the early 1970s as a guerrila group against Douds government. Since they already had him on the payrole and had his group all set up when the Soviets invaded, they kept him. LamontCranston (talk) 02:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edits today[edit]

"Gulbuddin Hekmatyar is a popular figure as an Afghan Mujahideen or rebel commanders"...

Popular figure? Anyone else thinking this is not very good? Greswik 14:46, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New developments, May 31, 2008[edit]

The Jamestown Foundation: Gulbuddin Hekmatyar’s Return to the Afghan Insurgency

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UN sanctions[edit]

According to the BBC today (4 Feb 2017) the UN have removed him from their terror list, probably connected with the peace deal late last year. This article seems to make no mention of the UN at all, let alone sanctions. Could someone who knows about this person could clarify the UNited Nations stance. Aguyintobooks (talk) 20:17, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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"Soviet Occupation"[edit]

The article should not be referring to any "Soviet Occupation," because iirc the DRA was allied to the USSR and asked for their military assistance to combat the Mujahideen.

"Soviet Occupation" (of Afghanistan) is anti-communist, anglophone propaganda. And the sooner English speakers realize this, the more truthful their histories will be. 2601:5CF:8000:6B60:817B:D04:240C:74E3 (talk) 11:23, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Soviets liquidated Afghan president Amin Hafizullah Amin (the one they apparently came to "rescue") when they marched in. Does that also qualify as "military assistance"? --Jo1971 (talk) 13:16, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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