Talk:Sharashka

Spelling

Isn't the Cyrillic "ш" more properly romanized as "shch" or is that only in the middle of a word?Ellsworth 22:28, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

No. It is the letter "" that is tricky. Mikkalai 05:19, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. That makes sense. Well, not really, but I'm just ignorant. Ellsworth 13:30, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Well, Germans are even in bigger trouble: they have to write "schtsch"; unbelievable, isn't it? There was a popular joke about a Russian tsarina of German origin that she managed to make 8 mistakes in a two-letter word, "Щи" (a kind of Russian vegetable soup). Mikkalai 16:54, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

All forced?

So who was and wasn't forced to the sharashka?

It's common for various countries to have secret research labs, including the USA, where the scientists are engaged in work that is so sensitive they are deprived of outside contact. But when does a lab become a camp?

In the case of "sharashkas", never. A lab was created in a camp instead, from qualified convicts, collected from everywhere. And no one was actually "forced", given a choice between logging in taiga and designing planes. (Did you actually read the article?) Mikkalai 19:30, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

What's in an article and what actually happened are two separate things, hence the question.

Are you satisfied with the answer? What exactly is the problem with the article? Mikkalai 01:41, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Not really. Wikipedia is created by *amateurs*, hence the question. I was just trying to establish something.

If you are unwilling to explain what exactly is bothering you, you are welcome to find a better source of information. Unlike religion, wikipedia does not claim to have ultimate answers. Mikkalai 17:17, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I explained this in the first line of this section. Is that really "rocket science"?

First, it were prisons for those, who were tried for political (and other?) crimes, so this is unlike the US secret laboratories. All the prisoners, just as all other citizens of the USSR, had to work. But they were given a choice - to work with other prisoners of camps or to continue to work according their speciality and proffesion.--Nixer 18:25, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Nuclear Sh.

Never heard about that. AFAIK all scientists in nuclear project was freemen, "vol'nyie". Could somebody give me some names of the scientists being centenced and inprisoned, and being serving for the Bomb during that? --GS 14:35, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Polikarpov for a brief period

Let's at least modify that. This is poorly phrased. First, "fortunately" rarely belong to encyclopedia. Secondly, it sounds strange as may be inferred that it is fortunate that he was an aircraft designer for only for a brief period. But my main consern is with the word "fortunately" in there, although I agree that that's good that one less person suffered. Should we say:

• ...aircraft designer (arrested for a brief period)

or something like that? Can't come up with a good prasing off hand. --Irpen 23:49, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree. With all due respect, if someone more notable than WP editors expressed their opinion, we can consider including it. Just saying "fortunately" is WP:OR. ←Humus sapiens←ну? 23:55, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

History

Some sources talk about such 'prison design bureau' in the end of 1920-s. Polikarpov and Grigorovitch were the first designers in Special Design Bureau, created in 1929 by Vyacheslav Menzhinsky, head of OGPU. http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww1/i5.html Ходок (talk) 16:08, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Radical meaning?

In the introduction there is the phrase "radical meaning" in explaining where the name Sharashka may have originated.--- "Russian slang expression sharashkina kontora "Sharashka's office", possibly from the radical meaning "to beat about""

What is this supposed to mean? It doesn't make sense, but I don't know anything about this, so I'm not going to replace it with something else, or delete it. If anybody knows what was meant I think it needs to be changed. MS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.174.236.153 (talk) 05:58, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

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об использовании на производстве специалистов, осужденных за вредительство

There is something fishy with reference to this document: It mentioned in passing in a number of texts, but I failed to find it. At the same time, it turns out there were 15 circulars issued, listed in archives as "Circulars of VSNkH об использовании на производстве специалистов, осужденных за вредительство " Фонд № Р-101. Оп.2 т. с. Д. 63 - Altenmann >talk 23:55, 8 August 2023 (UTC)