Talk:Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles

United States: FBI Low‑importance

	United States portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions. Template Usage Articles Requested! Become a Member Project Talk Alerts United StatesWikipedia:WikiProject United StatesTemplate:WikiProject United StatesUnited States articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by WikiProject FBI (assessed as Low-importance).

Egypt Low‑importance

	Egypt portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Egypt, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Egypt on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.EgyptWikipedia:WikiProject EgyptTemplate:WikiProject EgyptEgypt articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Terrorism Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Terrorism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles on terrorism, individual terrorists, incidents and related subjects on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.TerrorismWikipedia:WikiProject TerrorismTemplate:WikiProject TerrorismTerrorism articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

why remove that from the lead[edit]

Charliebsu? soibangla (talk) 01:13, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

shouldn't we add more detail abt his death in the body rather than opening and just put his death date in opening brackets? Charliebsu (talk) 01:21, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, which is why the lead sentence was brief and the body should elaborate with details: two agents on motorbike, at US request, daughter also killed, etc. Lead summarizes body.

Usually death date is only in the lead, nothing more, rest goes in bodyCharliebsu (talk) 02:01, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

soibangla (talk) 01:40, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is the NYT report enough to call him dead?[edit]

I don't have a strong opinion on this question, but I think it's worth discussing: Currently, only a single publication (admittedly a quite well-respected one) has reported that Abdullah is dead. IPs have been edit-warring as to whether he should be referred to as dead in the lede, the infobox, and the body of the article. (I've requested PC or semi-protection on that basis.) It seems like we should establish a consensus here: Do we refer to him as dead, or just as reportedly dead? Tamzin (they/them) | o toki tawa mi. 23:28, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi protected for a day, so spirits cool down. -- Luk ^talk 23:31, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'll add that, regardless of this discussion's ultimate outcome, I think that for the time being we should probably not refer to him as dead, as a BLP/BDP matter. That said, this doesn't meet the "unsourced or poorly sourced" standard for summary removal, and I want to be cognizant of m:The Wrong Version, so I'll hold off on making that change until/unless a second uninvolved editor (with respect to the edit war) agrees. Tamzin (they/them) | o toki tawa mi. 23:41, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mondoweiss addition[edit]

I think the paragraph quoting Mondoweiss needs to be removed or reworked. First, it isn't clear what the "misleading" or "dishonesty" refers to. If the entire report, it has been confirmed by several outlets. The mention of Ronen Bergman is ad hominem. The only part worth saving is a criticism of of using unnamed officials. Criticism of the story is fine with me, but a better write up is necessary. Maybe there is a better source out there. Pinging @Geo8rge: - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 02:53, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nuked it. We already say that the NYT's intelligence sources are unnamed. "Reeks of dishonesty" is indeed ad hominem and the only reason I could think to include it is if the utterance itself were notable (e.g., if it came from a notable person rather than a random op-ed). Einsof (talk) 14:27, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Which Al Masri?[edit]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/25/senior-al-qaeda-leader-abu-muhsin-al-masri-killed-in-afghanistan. "Al-Masri, an Egyptian national believed to be al-Qaeda’s second-in-command, was killed during a special operation in the central Ghazni province, Afghanistan’s National Directorate of Security (NDS) said in a tweet late on Saturday.". So...are we sure Abu Muhsin al-Masri and Abu Mohammed al-Masri are different individuals?. --HC PUNXKID 20:44, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they are different people. They have their own entries on the FBI list [1]. - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 21:31, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yet, the Al-Jazeera article claims Abu Mushin Al-Masri was al-Qaeda’s second-in-command, a title attributed also to Abu Mohammed al-Masri.--HC PUNXKID 20:05, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion[edit]

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:

Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah.jpg

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 02:39, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]