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Is the appended date really necessary? I thought there was only one expedition ever called "United States Exploring Expedition". Stan 04:41, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC) ___________________

The appended date isn't absolutely necessary. It seemed like a good idea, though, in order to help readers note the context more quickly. Also, it provides more info to search on when doing Google searches on article titles. Herodotos 02:47, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The usual rule is to use the shortest unambiguous title for articles, if for no other reason than to increase the chance that random references from elsewhere will connect - we have a problem with people creating dups because they see a red link and don't realize that the real article is under a slightly different name (I fixed up a mistaken dup creation just this morning). Google searches hit on content just as much as title, so titling can be set to favor our internal linking activity. Stan 03:06, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Good point, and thanks for the heads-up on policy. I don't mind renaming the article, if that will improve consistency. Or would it be easier at this point to create a "Redirect" to the shorter title? Herodotos 04:35, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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A sketch of the Andes in Peru, drawn by Alfred Agate during the United States Exploring Expedition, an exploring and surveying expedition of the Pacific Ocean conducted by the U.S. Navy from 1838 to 1842. The expedition was of major importance to the growth of science in the United States, in particular the then-young field of oceanography.Restoration: Lise Broer

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Result Victory?[edit]

In the sumary the result of the expedition is listed as "Successful expedition, victory in battle against aborigionals."

Victory in battle against aboriginals is an objective of expedition? Surely this was an unfortunate outcome, not something to laud as part of their success? I suggest that it would be more accurate if the result is changed to "Successful expedition despite conflict with aboriginal peoples". Djapa Owen 12:35, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Dates, chronology?[edit]

Looks like some inconsistency here. I suspect ALL this happened in 1841 - anyone care to check, and reconcile?

"In April 1842 USS Peacock...around 700 Gilbertese warriors opposed the American assault but were defeated after a long battle."
"A similar episode occurred two months before in February when the Peacock and the Flying Fish briefly bombarded the island of Upolu, Samoa..." (Bombardment of Upolu = where February 24, 1841 is the date given)
"The Peacock was lost in July 1841 on the Columbia River, though with no loss of life..."

Gratuitous characterization as battle[edit]

The battle format infobox seems incredibly non-NPOV here, especially given that the outcome-as-battle was challenged on the talk page in 2011 without response. If it was an article about a specific battle, fine, but this is an article about a four-year scientific expedition. Is there someone to defend the use of the current infobox format? — Brianhe (talk) 00:36, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You have a very good point there. Exploration is not war. Some other kind of info-box format must make more sense. Djapa Owen (talk) 03:46, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Map(s) needed[edit]

An overall map showing the routes explored would be very helpful. A plot on a modern map is was I had in mind, but it would actually be extremely interesting to see the maps produced by the expedition itself, of the same areas. -- Beland (talk) 01:31, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Poking around I found [1] and File:Charles wilkes part1.png but these aren't quite ready for use in this article. -- Beland (talk) 20:18, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I added an image I found on Czech Wikipedia - https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_South_Seas_Exploring_Expedition. Cheers. Grahamboat (talk) 19:13, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Military conflict infobox[edit]

I removed the military conflict infobox since I feel that it puts undue weight on the conflicts that were fought during the expedition. The expedition's objective was to explore and to survey unchartered areas. It might have been a military undertaking, but it wasn't a punitive expedition. What especially bothers me is the infobox's supposed "result". I mean, "defeat of aboriginal peoples" doesn't really correspond to what I guess would be a considered a desired outcome to a scientific expedition.

While I think the article is fine without an infobox, it got me thinking about maybe designing an infobox specifically for scientific and explorative expeditions.

Anyways, I also kept the mapped routes, but moved them further down the article. Jay D. Easy (talk) 16:58, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]