Talk:Stanley, Falkland Islands

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Your USHUAIA article says that "Ushuaia is the southernmost city in the world", whereas your PORT STANLEY article gives that honor to Wellington, in New Zealand...

Err, no - the Port Stanley article says that Wellington is the southernmost CAPITAL city in the world. There is a difference! -- Arwel 18:06, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The Name of Port Stanley[edit]

In the Spanish wikipedia (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Argentino) they are giving preference to the name of "Puerto Argentino" over the name Port Stanley. The lithuanian version (http://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stenlis) gives the two names fairly equal weighting. The remainder of the articles that in languages that use Roman script indicate that Port Stanley is the correct name. Gantlord 15:03, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Puerto Argentino" is not and has never been a correct name. It is a propagandistic denomination given by a decree issued by the military junta in Buenos Aires during the occupation in 1982. It has no historical significance whatsoever and was only used there during a few weeks. It should of course be mentioned in the article, but only in connection with the 1982 events. --Andhanq 21:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, and as the Spanish Wikipedia article points out, the Argentines used no fewer than three other names unofficially in the early part of the occupation: "Puerto Rivero" on 3rd-4th April 1982, "Puerto de la Isla Soledad" on the 5th April, and "Puerto de las Islas Malvinas" between 6th-20th April, before they settled on "Puerto Argentino". -- Arwel (talk) 22:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So how does one resolve a dispute that crosses a language? If you check the talk page though, there are many Spanish speakers who do not agree with the prominence given to the name "puerto argentino". However there is an Argentinian contingent patrolling the article. I tried to leave a comment stating that the name of Port Stanley was something over which only the islanders had any sort of legitimate control. My comment was repeatedly deleted from the talk page. Gantlord


The "name" Puerto Argentino" was not even used in Argentina before 1982. It is quite odd that the democratic government of the Argentine Republic of today still stick to this denomination, which was invented by the military junta, that ruled the country 25 years ago. This article should inform about the different names used for the town. But the preference should of course be given the most commonly used name. --Andhanq 10:10, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You like it or no, it's the official spanish name given by Argentina and apearing in Argentina maps. Chiton magnificus (talk) 16:32, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Capital vs Not capital[edit]

Stanley can not both be a capital city and not a capital city at the same time - as per the first two paragraphs. Ian Cairns 00:12, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"Stanley ... is the capital ... however ... it is not usually categorised as ... capital city ..."
So the question pops-up: why Wellington wins - because Stanley is a center and not a capital, or just because it is not a city but sort of ... hmm ... capital town/village? -- Goldie (tell me) 21:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hipolito Yirigoyen[edit]

Hi!

Can somebody confirm, that Stanley was once known also as Hipólito Yrigoyen ? (Probably named like this by the Argentine.) Thanks! --ALE! 21:38, 28 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, Argentines called it Puerto Argentino. Sebastian Kessel Talk 00:24, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Never was, it was started in 1843 under Governor Moody, it never had any equivalent Spanish name until the propaganda names confered by the Argentine Junta in 1982. There is a mixture of names used in Spanish either Puerto Stanley or Puerto Argentino (predominantly Argentina and South American allies of Argentina). Justin talk 12:55, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Town[edit]

There is no standard definition of town, but I don't think any other place in the Falkland Islands can fit in this category, maybe "villages"... Do you agree? Sebastian Kessel Talk 00:24, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Where I am from (S.W. U.S.) all communities with shops, etc. no matter how small, are towns. I think we should avoid confusion and just say that it is the largest community in the islands. Pelegius 01:00, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I believe that according to US and UK standards it IS the only town. It is the only place with hotels and a mini "shopping area". But since the standards aren't laws (just a tradition) we can't be 100% sure. Taking into account that the total population of the islands is 2,967 I'd venture the guess that whatever other settlements exist in the area are little more than villages. This article stood plenty of scrutiny with the current wording. I would leave it the way it is, if you that's ok with you. :) Sebastian Kessel Talk 02:02, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
IIRC, Stanley was always referred-to as a settlement at the time of the Falklands unpleasantness (1982). Whether it's a town or not nowadays I don't know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.112.82.103 (talk) 17:26, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Stanley was called the Settlement - but that was a name, not its status. It would however readily meet the criteria of a town. Since there is also a bishopric it meets the traditional requirement to be elevated to the status of a city. It was apparently granted city status in 1985 - though I do not have the source for that to hand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.15.138 (talk) 02:26, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Port[edit]

When did the name lose the “Port”? --89.176.54.194 07:52, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That was the question that I came here to ask, as well. Aren't there some Falklanders editing Wikipedia who can tell us this? Unschool 01:25, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I was wondering the same thing - also why was the "Port" dropped? -- ChrisO 19:40, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This question has been out there for, what, five or six months? Please, somebody tell us.216.199.161.66 16:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think the form "Stanley", without "Port" has been recommended since 1956. --Andhanq 20:47, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Recommended by whom? I mean, we've had this question on this page for nearly a year. I must presume that sheepherders do not edit Wikipedia, eh? Unschool 07:45, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, just checking back, 17 months later, and still no answer. Look, during the 1982 war, the media were calling it Port Stanley, and now this article tells us it's just plain "Stanley". When and why did it change? Haven't they got satellite internet available down there yet, so that somebody can answer this? Unschool 03:12, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See [1], official name has always been Stanley, Port Stanley is colloquial but is often used even in official documents. Justin talk 23:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Unschool 05:12, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lithuanian version[edit]

Wikipedia in the Lithuanian version is very peculiar when it comes to topics related to the Falklands. Is there anybody here who can manage Lithuanian? The articles need some changes. --Andhanq 20:47, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I've noticed that too (not that I speak lithuanian). (See comments above on the name of Port Stanley). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gantlord (talk • contribs) 12:35, 14 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

City status[edit]

Is there any evidence that Stanley is actually a city? Merely having a cathedral is not a sufficient qualification - there are many places with cathedrals which are NOT cities. See City status in the United Kingdom (I know that article refers to the mainland UK, but the process is the same) Modest Genius talk 15:39, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes because it had been granted city status by the Queen. Justin talk 16:41, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Got any evidence for that? eg. a source? Modest Genius talk 20:23, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not immediately to hand, I'll check in my references. From my, admittedly imperfect, memory, it dates from the 1985 constitution. Justin talk 20:33, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
In any case, I've deleted "(with a cathedral)", since the presence of a cathedral has nothing at all to do with whether or not it's a city. Dricherby (talk) 18:17, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually it does, since having a cathedral is the traditional point of distinction between a town and a city! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.15.138 (talk) 02:21, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

British Antarctic Survey[edit]

The article states that the HQ of the British Antarctic Survey is located in Stanley, but the headquarters are actually located in Cambridge, UK 80.0.210.78 (talk) 21:19, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Flag and COA[edit]

Are these from the island or the city. By the name I think are from the islands. Alakasam 19:01, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They act for both as the seat of Government. Justin the Evil Scotman talk 21:14, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Port Stanley are british[edit]

¿Can somebody change the name of Puerto Argentino/Stanley to Puerto Stanley on the spanish version of wikipedia? some argentinians change the name to Puerto Argentino, that name is not accepted by the world community, including Chile.

--190.18.108.80 (talk) 11:08, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you ask this here? And by the way Puerto Argentino is as much valid as Stanley. --ALE! (talk) 12:12, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Should I remind you that "Puerto Argentino" is a name imposed by the military junta that we Argentines love to demonize, Ale?
No need to remind me. However, this is an issue of the Spanish speaking Wikipedia not of the English speaking. --ALE! (talk) 09:16, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You've obviously not checked the Chinese version of the article. --RaviC (talk) 18:26, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Capital City of Falkland Islands[edit]

In 2009 a request was submitted to add 1,700,000 km2 to the continental territory of the Argentine Republic, being approved in 2016. Since the United Nations through its Decolonization Committee declares this territory as Non-Autonomous, it is not only an Argentine invention to call "Puerto Argentino" the Capital of the Falkland Islands, just as it is not an Argentine invention to call it that, because they are the terminological variants that were officially presented and approved, and are used by Argentina and other countries Latin Americans on a daily basis. The name of the capital is officially Stanley, but there are two other synonyms used by both the inhabitants and the countries claiming their sovereignty in question: these two synonyms are Puerto Argentino and Puerto Stanley. The latter has just after the merger of Stanley and Puerto Argentino.

I fully understand that my edition is reversed (I reiterate, with the endorsement of the United Nations). Understanding why it has been made publicly known that on this issue, the United Kingdom has always refused to dialogue. I understand this because it has been denied in more than 30 resolutions presented and approved by the United Nations in which the United Kingdom was invited to dialogue on sovereignty, not counting the more than 15 approved by the Organization of American States. I say I understand why they have presented not only the territorial expansions that the Argentine Republic has covered since 2016, but the approved terminologies. I understand that they are unaware of all this as they never deigned to respond to one of the United Nations resolutions. It is clearly seen how a world and military power feels even above the world diplomatic entity. Best regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoakoCABJ (talk • contribs) 20:32, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure even how to parse that. Suspect Google Translate might have been involved? But if it is what it appears to be - a polemic arguing one side of the sovereignty dispute - then this is not the place for it. Kahastok talk 22:08, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Puerto Argentino" was invented by the fascist junta, which ruled Argentina in 1982. It is a shame that the following, more democratic, governments have not yet abolished it. It is mentioned in the article, but should not be in the lede. --Andhanq (talk) 09:26, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
First of all: "invented", okay, but the name "Stanley" was equally invented; most places in colonized lands have "invented" names. And how is it relevant that "Puerto Argentino" stems from the era of the junta? There's nothing "fascist" or "antidemocratic" in this name itself. And finally, why should they give up the name when they have a territorial claim to the place. As long as they claim it's theirs, why would they call it by an English name? (By the way, I don't support the Argentinian claim at all, but your arguments are simply bogus.) 84.63.31.38 (talk) 16:26, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You can of course say that all names are "invented" mostly by the inhabitants or founders, but sometimes from external forces. But it is of course very relevant that the namne stems from the junta and its illegal invasion. If it had been an historical name used in Spanish or by Argentina since the founding of the town it had been more relevant. But that is not the case. It is just a propaganda denomination, never ever used by any legal inhabitant of the city. Exactly the same did the Third Reich when they invented "Gotenhafen" for Gdynia or "Litzmannstadt" for Lodz. But no German government has of course used them since 1945. All names used for Stanley are mentioned in the article. They is interesting historical facts. But the invaders' fantasy name has not the same value as the name used by the inhabitants ever since the founding of the place. --Andhanq (talk) 09:26, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is not the place for this kind of discussion, unless there is some proposal for a change to the article. Kahastok talk 16:14, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yay[edit]

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Coordinate error[edit]

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You haven't said what you think is wrong with the coordinates in the article, and they appear to be correct. If you still think that there is an error, you'll need to supply a clear explanation of what it is. Deor (talk) 12:53, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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