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Notability?[edit]

Does this obscure neologism really deserve a Wikipedia page? I was a fan of L7 and Babes in Toyland (and to a lesser extend Hole) in the late 90s, and I'm familiar with typical punk purist vs. punk unitarian debates about whether or not any of those bands counted as Riot Grrrl or not, but today is first time I've ever come across the term "kinderwhore". I'm not a deletionist, but I do think this article is still a stub, and needs a lot more work to establish why the topic is notable enough to have its own page. It sounds like a phrase coined by alt-right attack trolls to disparage stroppy female musicians who don't conform to the unwritten rules of pop glamour looks. That said, a quick web search didn't turn up any women objecting to the use of the term. I did find an article by Mish Way of White Lung, who attributes its origin to "Melody Maker journalist Everett True" (http://i-d.vice.com/en_us/article/my-kinderwhore-education), and she seems to embrace "kinderwhore" identity in the same way that homosexuals have embraced "queer" identity, so maybe more references that support this might help to establish notability? --Danylstrype (talk) 06:57, 31 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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This doesnt really say what it is

"...Grunge and Riot Grrl had both emanated from the D.C. rock scene" i guess you should write "washington" (state) instead of D.C., shouldn't you?

Picture[edit]

Aa picture would pass far more information than writing for this kind of an article. If someone has a picture that depict the fashion, please upload it here wkm

Hmmm, Shonen Knife's first album was in 1983...and their look has pretty much been the same since the beginning, I think? It seems hard to credit these people with their look. Also, Babes in Toyland recorded one of the songs on the Shonen Knife tribute album (see the Shonen Knife article for details), so it seems likely the influence was mostly the other direction. I'm deleting that sentence. --Skalchemist 14:03, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of the name[edit]

I´m curious to the origin of the name kinderwhore. A whore child would be in dutch kinderhoer, where kinder stands for child.

The kinder in this has been picked up from things like kindergarden and kinder surprise. Its not a direct reference to the dutch. Bride of lister 09:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kinder means 'child' in german. so, 'Child Whore.' Dutch is a germanic language.

The German "kindergarten" is also used in English but now other terms e.g. nursery education are more usual. Would a link to child prostitute (i.e. a child who is also a prostitute) be useful?--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 11:54, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

forever[edit]

kinderwhore and riot grrl are "forever linked?" Where is the citation for that? It sounds to me like hyperbole since the article is about a very small and short-lived niche fashion trend which is already dead and gone.

The Slits?[edit]

The Slits are precursors of Hole&Babes in Toyland musically, in attitude and image. Looking at photo's from the early 80's, especially [1], for instance the photo [2] you see all the characteristics of the Kinderwhore-look (the combination of innocence with provocative sexuality). Is this far-fetched, or could we add this to the article?

Btw, I think derivation from Kindergarten likely; in form it may well be Dutch (kinderliedje=children's song), but it seems an American term and Kindergarten is a known term there, in contrast to Dutch compound words. It would be interesting to track its first use in the press.

WvdPut 13:06, 30 September 2007 (UTC) (from Amsterdam)[reply]

the slits connection is not far fetched

The Slits girls are just wearing petticoat skirts, which have always been popular with rocker girls. The essential items of the kinderwhore look are babydoll dresses (not just skirts and a t-shirt), maryjanes, and messy makeup (as if applied by a child). 98.246.184.50 (talk) 15:35, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pronounciation[edit]

Should you really be using a compound word that uses the word being defined as a key for pronouncation? Saying "kinder is pronounced like kinder" isn't exactly helpful, which is what the comparison to "kindergarten" is essentially doing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.246.234.24 (talk) 06:12, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

it's meant to differentiate it from the long i pronunciation kind of whore —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.110.223 (talk) 18:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

LOL @ Kinder whore vs. kinderwhore. "A new, kinder whore! Buy it now!"

No actual riot grrrls dressed kinderwhore...[edit]

...so I edited the part that was misleading about that. Babes in Toyland and Hole were not riot grrrls, and kinderwhore was not part of riot grrrl's success. Actual riot grrrl had very little success, in commercial terms. Much less than Babes in Toyland and, especially, Hole. They were completely different things that were happening in different circles, and the only things connecting them are the sex of the musicians, the time frame, and the constant mislabelling (and the fact that they were in the Pacific Northwest music scene).

Also, I am by no means very familiar with Lush, but in all the photos of the band I've seen they're sporting pretty ordinary clothes, not "tidied-up kinderwhore". What's up with that? But I'm not editing that part, since, as I've said, I don't know the band enough.