Talk:Finnic paganism

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Awfull spelling and grammar[edit]

I'm writing an essay about pre-christian and pre-swedish Finland. I was gonna chek out some facts here but I ended up correcting spelling errors and grammar. This article needs to be reworked and some stuff needs sources.--DerMeister 14:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for correcting spelling and grammar! There are lots of sources but they are presented in Finnish version only because they are in Finnish. I can add them here if you accept Finnish sources. Tuohirulla puhu 17:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge[edit]

A lot of the information in Finnish mythology is the same as here. A good deal of it should be moved there (if it's not present already), but I think that certain parts of this article should remain (shamanism, modern revival). --Tydaj 18:32, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It would make sense to keep the modern revival here. --Johan Magnus 06:33, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[[%C1satr%FA]] and Norse mythology are good parallels --Tydaj 17:12, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Mythology and paganism[edit]

Is it fair to say that Finnish mythology is a subset of Finnish paganism? —Ashley Y 02:23, 2005 Apr 27 (UTC)

I don't know. I faced the same problem while writing the article on this subject at Finnish wikipedia. In ancient finnish religion (and many other paganist and animist religions) mythology is a part of religion, but then again, religion is a part of mythology. Pagans had similar relation with ancient heroes, ancestors, spirits of nature and other spiritual creatures, even stones and animals, than they had with gods. While talking to ancient hero they did not think "this is mythology" and while talking to a god they did not think "this is religious activity". Propably the question is wrong. Pagans did not have "religion" that is separate from mythology and other fields of mental life. Tuohirulla 15:48, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've been mulling this over for the past few days while getting set to do some major work both here & on the Finnish mythology page (see the Talk page there for a rundown on my intentions), & basically have come down to a sort of division in my mind: "mythology" as being the cosmogony (origins), cosmology (structure of the cosmos), & mythic stories, etc., & putting into "paganism" more of the day-to-day practices that came out of the structure of belief. That's my working theory anyway. -- Yksin 21:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Capital letters?[edit]

Should there been used capital letters in words like "Pagan/pagan" and "Paganism/paganism"? I've understand that all religions have to been written in capitals, like "Buddhism", "Christianity" or "Christian". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.245.136.249 (talk) 10:24, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't think so. There is no one religion that has the recognized name of "paganism" -- rather, paganism covers a whole host of different religions that have some characteristics in common, but are by no means unified by common scriptures or sourcebooks or founders. -- Yksin 21:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Asatru[edit]

Over at Ásatrú the following section has been added. Could someone please source it or give a definitive answer on whether this belongs there?WeniWidiWiki 23:18, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Relationship to Finnish Paganism[edit]

Some Finnish neopagans consider Asatru a part of their faith, while others think it is foreign. Those who make a distinction between Asatru and Finnish neopaganism think Asatru is based too much on beliefs of neighbouring countries and not on their own local traditions. Some even see Asatru as a kind of cultural imperialism. Still the ancient faiths of Finland and its Scandinavian neighbours have many similarities, for example a thunder god who strikes lightning with his hammer, and rides in the clouds with his chariot making thunderstorms. (compare Thor and Ukko). Finnish folklore told about a great wizard Väinämöinen, the first and oldest human being, and maybe originally a god, who is - according to some - close to Odin.

"Also bears name was almost forbidden to say ..." - gramatically incorrect. Try "Also, it was almost forbidden to say the word 'bear', ..."

move[edit]

this should probably be at Finnic paganism. The Finnish people are the modern people, speakers of the modern Finnish language. I do not think that the prehistorical (pre-Christian, pre-15th century) populations should be called "Finns" but more generically "Finnic". --dab (𒁳) 07:43, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deities as kings[edit]

In relation to this: "deities [...] have been referred to as "kings" [citation needed]." I believe the word that has been used is valtias (ruler/sovereign) and not kuningas (king). But I don't really have any real knowledge on the matter. --Enmoku (talk) 14:27, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No Elk in Finland[edit]

This page repeatedly refers to 'elk' as a sacred animal. Elk are native to North America and eastern Asia, rather far from Finland. The correct animal would be the reindeer, an entirely different species. 142.113.127.45 (talk) 04:09, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, it's the same moose, which, being from the Artic Circle, has crossed the Bering Strait. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:49, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Moving the page to Finnic Paganism[edit]

Changing the name of the article to 'Finnic paganism' is a good idea, for these pagan ideas weren't limited to Finns, but also other Finnic peoples like Karelians, Livonians, Veps and others. IkuTurisas (talk) 20:32, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]