Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Flowers Of Romance

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The result of the debate was - redirected - SimonP 14:51, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)

The Flowers Of Romance

Is this a hoax? There is a musician named Tony Blackplait, and there is a group called The Flowers Of Romance that he is a member of, but how can they possibly be from Sealand? And isn't Sid Vicious a member of the group? RickK 08:52, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)

• Comment: Independently, we had the same idea. (I commented in the talk page.) Moreover, I noticed this new page in my watchlist, suggesting to me that I had some involvement in its earlier deletion. -- Hoary 08:56, 2005 Mar 19 (UTC)
• They are officially a Sealand band. Yes, Sid Vicious was a member at the beginning. I. comment added anonymously at 09:01, 2005 Mar 19 by User:82.131.22.53
  • What do you mean by saying that they are ("officially" or otherwise) a Sealand band? -- Hoary 09:32, 2005 Mar 19 (UTC)
• Delete, under the bar of notability, smells hoaxy. Megan1967 10:37, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Would be highly notable if it weren't a hoax. Indeed, truly remarkable ... - David Gerard 17:08, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, complete hoax - David Gerard 17:08, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Not entirely a hoax - the band did exist but some of the claims made in the article appear bogus. Megan1967 02:10, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Delete this and move the current article The Flowers of Romance (band) here. However, according to the external link, this may be less of a hoax than it appears (if the external link is not a hoax too, which it may be). I think we're looking at 2 bands with the same name, one of which is a allegedly a reformation of the other, but with entirely different members. The Sealand reference seems pretty bogus, but they might claim to be from that "country" as a sort of anarchist statement or something. Anyway, if there's any truth to any of that it can be added to the existing article after it is moved. -R. fiend 18:14, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Well, I wouldn't agree to moving it HERE, since the capital "O" of "Of" is incorrect. RickK 21:25, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)
    • Actually this should be made into a redirect to The Flowers of Romance, which is currently a disambig. However, I still like the idea of having The Flowers of Romance (band) at that title, as I think band trumps album. Deletion before redirect might still be a good option though, depending on wether any level of truth to this article is discovered. -R. fiend 02:59, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• I'm a member of the Flowers. This is not a hoax. I can send you a CD (not joke) - what's the post address? And I want to send the emblem of the F. for the article. What's the e-mail address? And we are a Sealand band - ask Michael of Sealand. I
  • No, you're not from Sealand. You may all have decided to get Sealand passports, but you've clearly not grown up on some disused WWII gun platform just off the English coast, so you're not from there. In the same vein, I wouldn't say Rupert Murdoch is from America, even though he has a US passport, Australia still has to take the blame for him. Average Earthman 10:41, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • More to the point, O anonymous person who claims to be a member, what's your postal address? Or the nation, anyway. The only phone numbers that I noticed on the site were Finnish. -- Hoary 11:05, 2005 Mar 20 (UTC)

• The nation is not important at all (if you are not a nationalist). I'm cosmopolitan. You can write the FR is an intercontinental or cosmopolitan band, if you don't like the 'Sealand'. Friendly, I
• Delete as R.Fiend suggests. Radiant_* 12:25, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

• Tony Blackplait - US
• Al Vainola - France
• Roy Strider - Swizerland
• Anti Pathique - France
• Tuuliki Leinpere - Finland
• Maarit Kangron - Holland
• Reginleif Trubetsky - Denmark
• Kadi Ristal - Germany
• Henry Leppnurm - US
• Kaupo Kaldmäe - Latvia

• • Um, was there a point to adding the member list to this VfD page? — JIP | Talk 13:57, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• No, just Hoary asked about nation.

• Delete. There is already an article about the original band, from which some of this article's content was copied (see The Flowers of Romance (band)). And there is already an article on Tony Blackplait, who is a member of the "2nd era" Flowers of Romance. I'm not sure the new band is notable enough to have a separate article beyond Tony Blackplait. In any case it should not be in the same article with the original band. I've seen nothing (beyond Blackplait's own claims) that the two bands have anything in common besides the name. Comment: I've been following the edits (see relevant talk pages) at The Flowers of Romance (band) and Tony Blackplait. The latter is a musician, who may or may not have made the personal acquaintance of Sid Vicious, claiming to belong to both bands. Whenever I disputed this, the anonymous editor removed my templates, but at least removed or reworded the claims at the same time. Now that he has removed the "vfd" template from the article I'm no longer sure this guy's playing fairly. BTW I'm pretty sure all the anonymous edits (both to here and the articles themselves) are the same person, connecting via Starman ES Starman AS in Estonia. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 19:45, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Another comment: FWIW This probably could have been handled as a merge and redirect to the older article, rather than a VfD. If I had seen it myself I probably would have handled it that way, but since the user put it under a different title it slipped under the radar of my watchlist. (I wonder if this was deliberate? Similar variations on the name were already redirects.) As I mentioned, I'd been watching the other article, and the previous edits there are essentially the same content as this one. Back to the day job, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:10, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Hello, I'm TL (I) of the F. I'm sorry about the vfd. The information in the article is allright. But you can remove or delete it if you think so. Best!

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