Talk:Canadian English

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Citation problems?[edit]

The article currently contains warning templates saying "this article has an unclear citation style" and "this article needs additional citations for verification". It's not clear to me that these are still issues with the article. What do others think? — Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 23:06, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I looked today, there were some odd means of citation in the middle of the article, such as MLA-style parenthesis citations for source citations, such as ([80]), etc. I tried to clean these up as it was visual clutter, although, it just seemed to be that section and otherwise I believe the article is fine in this regard. Moonsoftoday (talk) 12:54, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reference 80[edit]

Reference 80 (gov.ns.ca) is broken HTTP Error 404.0 - Not Found. Unable to find appropriate and working link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NerillDP (talk • contribs) 22:15, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Phonetic Detail[edit]

A full explanation of what sounds are used for what words need to be included, whether or not we use IPA or not. Also an explanation of how regional Canadian English varieties have shifted from, or have always differed from, the Canadian/American standard should be included and maybe a diagram or two with some arrows comparing corresponding vowel sounds would be good. Compare this article with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inland_Northern_American_English for example. A good start would be explaining the fact that some Canadians say ‘oot’ for ‘out’, ‘treeler pairk’ for ‘trailer park’, ‘cur’ for ‘car’, ‘oover’ for ‘over’ and occasionally even ‘checken’ and ‘Recky’ for ‘chicken’ and ‘Ricky’ for example and with the exception of ‘car’ becoming ‘cur’ these are all Scottish influences (anyone doubting any of this should watch ‘Trailer Park Boys’ on NetFlix). Of course it will be difficult finding a reliable source proving this despite it being blatantly true. Overlordnat1 (talk) 03:33, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chart usefulness[edit]

There is a chart used on this page (File:Atlantic Canada IPA chart.PNG) labeled "Averaged F1/F2 means for speakers from N.S., N.B., N.L." Since there is no explanation of what the "Averaged F1/F2 mean" is or what it signifies, I would argue that this chart provides no useful information whatsoever. I propose to remove it unless someone can convince me that it has any usefulness. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:27, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The purpose of this chart is similar to that of the quadrilateral chart with all the vowels on it in the California English page. For the purposes of the article, you can think of F1 as a quantitative measure of how low a vowel is, and F2 as a measure of how front it is (in the IPA sense of height and front-ness). The YouTube videos "Formants - Why are Voices and Vowel Qualities Different?" and "Vowels 201: The true meaning of the vowel space (feat. nasal vowels, rhotacization, ATR, semivowels)" go into more depth if you want. Tyrui (talk) 11:57, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Tyrui: Doubtless the F1/F2 measurement has some meaning, but if the article does not explain it, then the chart has no meaning to the reader. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 22:59, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In the absence of any significant expansion of the usefulness of this chart, I have removed it. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:35, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not entirely sure that removing the chart was the best idea; I think it would be better to change the text under the chart. I'd had the Formant page linked, but if it's really necessary, I can (briefly) explain F1 and F2 in the caption. I don't think removing the entire chart is a great idea because that chart (if understood properly, of course) concisely conveys quite a bit of information on the vowel system used in the Maritimes. Tyrui (talk) 03:25, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Tyrui: Thank you for point me to the Formant page; I had not known of that concept before. If that link is provided in the chart caption, it actually does lend meaning to the chart that was previously missing. I'll restore the chart with the proper link for context. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:41, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Survey Questionnaires[edit]

A section is needed to explain how Canadian English was studied by using written questionnaires as it pertains to the linguistic usage of Canadians within everyday life. Some examples by Avis and the Survey of Canadian English directed by Scargill Brycewaynego (talk) 21:07, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yod-dropping in B.C.[edit]

@Jyqwang You wrote the following line:

"It is only after alveolar consonants (/t/, /d/, /n/, /s/, /l/) the /j/ is then dropped (e.g. duke, new, tune)"

This seems typical of North America, especially among yod-dropping dialects, but I notice that the list doesn't include the palatals /t͡ʃ/, /d͡ʒ/, /ʃ/, /ʒ/, and /j/, the dental /θ/, and the rhotic /ɹ/. If this line is meant to imply that yod-dropping really does only happen after alveolars (and not in the environments I listed), I think it should put emphasis on where it doesn't drop because of how common yod-dropping is in North America. On the other hand, if it does include those consonants, I think the line should be simplified or dropped, because that's where you would expect yod to go. If this a typo or something where it's supposed to say that yod is preserved after alveolars, but not after other coronals (similar (I think) to nearby Victoria according to Roeder, Onosson, and D'arcy (2018)), then obviously that should be fixed. (If the source doesn't specify at all, that's fine.) Tyrui (talk) 03:47, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

American-Centric comparisons[edit]

I feel as if a lot of the comparisons are directed toward the US. Although its Canadas' direct neighbour, examples should be diversified to add additional understanding to more readers, rather than relying on knowledge of American-culture and lingustics. Moonsoftoday (talk) 12:56, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rhoticity in Canadian English[edit]

I was wondering if Canadian English is rhotic or non rhotic! How can I learn rhoticity in Canadian English? 47.145.181.198 (talk) 00:30, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Refer to the Article on Rhoticity in English. Mediatech492 (talk) 01:47, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]