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<lysol> hi
<malkav_> dylian have you been to #gnaa,0 yet
*JesuitX* sites consisting of hundreds of members such as brawl-hall.com have buckled under
+us
<Popeye> maybe you'd like to join GNAA
<dylain> Improv: It's quite notable by VfD standards, and you're abusing VfD.
<gasjews> dylain: i think people united by being in front of screens all day? virtual
+worlds?
<dylain> This is the third time.
<Pi> Improv: you QUITE obviously didn't even bother LOOKING
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<lysol> hmm
<dylain> gasjews: Pretty much.
*JesuitX* let me fill you in on a little secret
<malkav_> dylian have you been to #GNAA,0 yet
*JesuitX* wikipedia doesn't care about you
<lec> heh
<gasjews> improv: "notable" is a slippery slope
<Pi> malkav_: shut up
> dylain: I am violating no Wikipedia policy, and am acting in the best interests of
+wikipedia
<lysol> people have such a funny relationship with the word 'nigger'
*JesuitX* the leaders of wikipedia are making a blind profit off of internet evangelists
+like yourself
<reubkg> Improv, is the Wikipedia server out of disk space or something?
<gasjews> improv: so you say
<Pi> Improv: like the past 2 votes for deletion?
<gasjews> improv: you are obsessive about this however
*JesuitX* YOUR opinion matters to no one
<Pi> Improv: you still can't claim ignorance on that
*JesuitX* nor does ours
<dylain> Improv: No. This is the third VfD, and the past two failed. Also, you need to go
+get laid.
*JesuitX*> Of course not, but I care about it.
<Pi> unless you just saw the title
*JesuitX* nobody cares about you, you are one person
<timecop> You are acting in the best interest of yourself
*JesuitX* nobody cares about us
<Pi> and went "omg nigger" and listed it
*JesuitX* we are man
*JesuitX* y
<Popeye> Improv, how are you?  By removing an article about a factual organization that
+people have repeatedly found useful for understanding our organization?
<Pi> because on the talk page
<timecop> incase you havent noticed nobody really gives a fuck about your opinion in real
+life
<dylain> Pi: Indeed, and I think that's one of two main reasons behind this jihad.
*JesuitX* wikipedia doesn't want your support to help further the "goals" of the stie
<Pi> at the very top
<gasjews> improv: do you deny that trolling is part of internet culture?
<timecop> so you take your anger out on wikipedia articles
*JesuitX* you are there to make profiteers money
<reubkg> timecop, he is acting in the best interests of NO ONE
*JesuitX* and you're ok with this?
<Pi> were TWO VfD archives
<dylain> Improv: PLEASE GET LAID
<reubkg> HE IS AN IDIOT AND A NERD
> Popeye: Your group's entry was not encyclopedic
<Pi> dylain: can it about being laid
<Popeye> Improv, why not
<gasjews> improv: isn't "our best interests" a cliche for social authoritarianism?
<gasjews> improv: you keep repeating that, but offer no reasoning
<Popeye> who made you the boss of whether something is "encyclopedic"
<Impi> Improv: we need to get to know each other
> Knowledge is not an anarchy
<dylain> I can't take this anymore. I'm going back to working on calculus.
<gasjews> improv: neither is it linear
<lysol> first
<tirel> http://www.iichan.net/b/res/21133.html wtf
<gasjews> improv: you need to find a balance in the middle
> Popeye: That's how VfD works
<lysol> I would just like to get to know you
*JesuitX* Do you also realize the GNAA consists of over 100 members in 10 different
+countries?
<Popeye> Improv, the GNAA is real, it has been through the VfD three times, it is
+noteworthy, what are you trying to do, other than cause trouble
<gasjews> improv: and how it is abused
*JesuitX* thats a larger organization than many listed on wikipedia
*JesuitX* according to wikipedia's supposed reason for existence
<reubkg> Improv, you should join the GNAA.  It's great what you're doing to destroy
+Wikipedia.
<Popeye> the very fact that you are arguing with us proves that GNAA is noteworthy
<Pi> Improv: you're no different than Silentcrs chaning the thing to a mockery
*JesuitX* we belong on there
<Pi> changing
<gasjews> ON THE CHAN GANG
*JesuitX* we ARE the internet's counterculture
> reubkg: My days of writing virii and the like are over.
<Impi> Improv: I don't think you are Net worthy
*JesuitX* we are the ONE and ONLY trolling organization
<gasjews> improv: don't let guilt choke you
<reubkg> Improv, the GNAA does not write viruses.
<gasjews> improv: but have you ever had sex with a black man?
*JesuitX*> Your posturing isn't helpful
<Pi> Not sure when this was last up for deletion
<Popeye> Improv, you are welcome to dislike GNAA, but leave the entry alone.  You have
+failed to demonstrate that it is not noteworthy
<Pi> He starts off with a lie.
*JesuitX* try and take what im saying to consideration
<Impi> YHBO HAND
<Pi> POV,
*JesuitX* you're attempting to assist an attempt to create censorship
*JesuitX* is this what you believe in?
<Pi> Wrong
<Impi> right
<Pi> the article was decided neutral POV last time.
<Tar_Work> HELPING TO SCROLLC3VBHELPING TO SCROLLC3VBHELPING TO SCROLLC3VBHELPING TO
+SCROLLC3VBHELPING TO SCROLLC3VBHELPING TO SCROLLC3VBHELPING TO SCROLLC3VBHELPING TO SCROLL
<Pi> and the time before that.
*JesuitX*> Censorship, done carefully, is always part of knowledge.
<gasjews> improv: RACIST!!1!! (just kidding)
*JesuitX* wrong
<Pi> Not notable: lie. see above.
*JesuitX* that's a terrible thing to believe
*JesuitX* censorhip has destroyed america my friend
*JesuitX* knowledge is FREEDOM
*JesuitX* censorship is NOT  
<Pi> I can go on. 
*JesuitX*> Sounds a bit bakunistic to me
<Pi> but I think you see the point
*whiplash* #brained is not #gnaa
<reubkg> Improv, did you know that 100 THOUSAND people have viewed the premier GNAA shock
+site project?
<Pi> Improv fails at censoring the GNAA article on wikipedia
*JesuitX* how do you give a child a choice when you force the 10 commandments on them
*whiplash* we don't care why you listed gnaa anywhere
<Popeye> yes
<Popeye> it won't get deleted
<reubkg> That is a lot of people. 
<Pi> He fails it harder than SilentCrs
<Popeye> too many "yes" votes
*JesuitX* how do you give a child a choice when you will not allow educators to teach
+evolution
<gasjews> improv: please visit the premier GNAA shock site project
*JesuitX* can you tell me?
> JesuitX I am atheist. Don't play that card with me.
<gasjews> it's quite a trip
*JesuitX* no, you cannot
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*** Mode change "-v Improv" on channel #GNAA by tirel
<gasjews> improv: do you distrust god?
<Pi> too many people tired of voting to keep
*** Mode change "-m" on channel #GNAA by Pi
<Impi> no tirel
*** Mode change "-o tirel" on channel #GNAA by Pi
<gasjews> improv: the reason i don't like the god-concept is that it is linear
> gasjews: There are no gods.
<Impi> dont stoop to his fucked shriveled dickness
<gasjews> improv: and no masters
*** tirel has left channel #GNAA because (<shapr> I'm very fond of postfix stackbased
+concatenative functional programming languages.)
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*JesuitX*       <JesuitX>       how do you give humanity a choice when the elite few decide
+what is allowed in the media and what is not?
*** Signoff: Popeye (Remote host closed the connection)
<Pi> tirel: don't do that while we're having a conversation
<tirel> there is a god too
<gasjews> improv: the problem isn't gods being real, but the concept of gods
*JesuitX* since you're about as receptive as an autistic child
<Pi> wow
*JesuitX* i will issue this one and final warning
<Pi> I love this place
*JesuitX* do not fuck with the GNAA
<gasjews> tirel: "your cock" does not count as a god!!!11
<tirel> i'm not going to fucking prove it to you faggots here, but i personally believe in
+a god
<tirel> therefore there is one. qed
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<Pi> it goes from "stop fucking with our wikipedia entry" to "god does/does not exist"
*JesuitX*> I am not trying to fuck with you, I'm just trying to do what seems right.
<reubkg> GOD WOULD WANT THE GNAA TO STAY ON WIKIPEDIA IF HE EXISTED, WHICH HE DOESN'T
<Impi> GOD EXISTS
<Impi> AND OWNS U ALL
<tirel> pi it's hilarious when you try to have any kind of serious discussions here
*JesuitX* well, maybe you should consider wikipedia is not about what's right, but what's
+true
<reubkg> I FUCK YR MOM EVERY NIGHT
<penisbird> lol @ Improv trying to philosophically rationalize censorship
<penisbird> its so fucking funn
<tirel> because you know full well you can't
*JesuitX* your opinion isn't meaningful enough to alter a public website
> I am not going to push Trotskyism on you here. Better things to do
*JesuitX* nobody's is
<timecop> did improve get klined yet?
<penisbird> no
<gasjews> improv: i don't know why people try to rationalize methods
<Pi> we shouldn't cross-server kill
*JesuitX*> It's a group effort.
<gasjews> improv: trotskyism? oof, well, that explains your political bias
<Pi> let's just ban him once he runs out of steam
<gasjews> i think that's all we need to do to make a counterargument
> Do you want me to leave? If you do, just say so.
*JesuitX* and the GROUP decided NOT to delete hte site a long time ago
<Impi> Improv: no-one here cares what you think or do... how about you fuck off
<gasjews> Pi: i wouldn't ban him
<gasjews> he just handed us the keys to the kingdom
<penisbird> wtf does trotsky have to do with your desire to censor a particular group you
+dont like?
*JesuitX* so why can't you accept this group-dynamic you believe in so much?
<reubkg> Improv, PLEASE JUST ADMIT YOU ARE A COMPLETE TOOL
<gasjews> pbird: trotskyites deplore certain aspects of individualism
<gasjews> WAIT
<gasjews> don't waste your time insulting him
<penisbird> who cares, he just hates the GNAA
<Pi> heh
<penisbird> this isn't about philosophy
<tirel> HEY I HAVE THIS IDEA: HOW ABOUT WE JUST BAN HIM
<gasjews> this is an ideological disagreement and can be explained as such
<penisbird> its about his personal grudge
> I don't care about the GNAA.
<JesuitX> penisbird, pi, secret channel
<penisbird> bullshit
<penisbird> you targeted the GNAA
<gasjews> pbird: well, except that his philosophy is one that deplores things "like" the
+GNAA
<gasjews> i agree
> I have no grudge against it. Look at my VfD history.
<gasjews> improv, you targetted the GNAA
<gasjews> improv: nothing of those hit your filter
> I vote to delete things I think should be deleted.
*JesuitX* well?
<gasjews> your ideological offense-space
<gasjews> improv: so you say
*JesuitX* can you at least attempt to answer me?
<reubkg> Improv, why would you bother to delete something if you didn't care.
<gasjews> it's easy to just say that
*JesuitX*> Sorry, too many conversations at once
<gasjews> and the trotskyism....? that doesn't factor AT ALL in your judgment?
> reubkg: Because I care about the good of the encyclopedia
<gasjews> it would in mine
*JesuitX* well stick to this one then
<gasjews> improv: define "good" and "encyclopedia"
*JesuitX* please tell me, if you believe in groupthink so much
<Impi> Improv: http://www.dachte.org/  nice mugshot
<Pi> Improv: I am still staggered as to how you could have ignored the last 2 votes for
+deletion
<gasjews> we come back to that disagreement
*JesuitX* why cant you accept the previous decision not to delete the article?
*JesuitX*> Could you conciselly repeat the question?
<malkav_> improv you are a total jew
> Pi: There is no consensus that VfD should not be repeated
<reubkg> Improv, what effect does the entry have on the overall quality of Wikipedia?
*JesuitX* am i not lucid enough for you?
<tirel> how about making a channel called #gnaaphilosophy where can we discuss this and
+leave this channel to senseless flooding and bashing like it has always been?
> malkav: I've dated jews, but I am not one 
<tirel> how about making a channel called #gnaaphilosophy where can we discuss this and
+leave this channel to senseless flooding and bashing like it has always been?
*JesuitX* my god
<timecop> I vote to delete Improv.
*JesuitX* you said yourself
<timecop> I dont like his nick/hostname/username/ircname
*JesuitX* it's a group effort
<reubkg> GOOD IDEA TIREL
*JesuitX* and before, when the site was on VFD
*JesuitX*> Oh, you might be making sense, I just missed it -- too much conversation
<Pi> Improv: barring all else, philosoph, god, all that other fucking bullshit, how the
+fuck can you miss the article being voted on twice, re list it again, withthe same fucking
+failed argument as last time?
*JesuitX* the GROUP (wikipedia's community) decided not to delete the article
> Pi: Because that's the way Wikipedia works
*JesuitX* this is exactly what you say you believe in
*JesuitX* and good for you, because i believe in it too
<malkav_> JEW LOER
> The group can think about it, chew on it more than once.
<malkav_> JEW LOVER
<malkav_> JEW LOVER
<malkav_> JEW LOVER
<malkav_> JEW LOVER
<malkav_> JEW LOVER
<malkav_> JEW LOVER
<malkav_> JEW LOVER
<malkav_> KILL THE SPY|
*JesuitX* but by trying again and again to get the article delted
<malkav_> KILL THE SPY!!!!!! 
<gasjews> "Describe some significant differences Buddhism and Hinduism"
<malkav_> KILL THE SPY!!!!!!
*JesuitX* you're going AGAINST that idea
<malkav_> KILL THE SPY!!!!!!
<malkav_> KILL THE SPY!!!!!!
*** Mode change "+v Improv" on channel #GNAA by Pi
<malkav_> SPY
<malkav_> SPY
<malkav_> SPY
*** Mode change "+m" on channel #GNAA by Pi
<malkav_> SPY
> Yes, I've loved someone who is Jewish.
*** Mode change "+m" on channel #GNAA by Pi
*** Mode change "-vo malkav_ malkav_" on channel #GNAA by Pi
*JesuitX* you're making a contradiction to your own belief
<tirel> WHY ARE YOU RATIONALIZING WITH THE ENEMY
<tirel> WHY ARE YOU RATIONALIZING WITH THE ENEMY
<tirel> WHY ARE YOU RATIONALIZING WITH THE ENEMY
<gasjews> improv: me too
<reubkg> Improv, how many times do you need to do this before it is settled?
*** Mode change "+m" on channel #GNAA by Pi
*** Mode change "-vo tirel tirel" on channel #GNAA by Pi
*** Mode change "-o goat-see" on channel #GNAA by Pi
*** malkav_ is now known as plz2plusv
<gasjews> improv: let's talk about hinduism and buddhism
*** plz2plusv is now known as plz2plusv1
*** plz2plusv1 is now known as plz2plusv2
*** Mode change "+b *!*GNAA@*.kc.rr.com" on channel #GNAA by Pi
*** plz2plusv2 has been kicked off channel #GNAA by Pi (plz2plusv2)
> gasjews: We can talk about that some other time.
<gasjews> improv: it relates to this
> reubkg: It's never settled. Wikipedia is always up to reconsider everything.
<Impi> getting to know uuuuuu
<gasjews> improv: besides, you are now here, and i would not normally seek you out
<Impi> getting to know allllll about uuuuuuuuuuu
<Impi> gettign to like uuuuuuuuuuuu
<gasjews> impi: are you a GMAD? if so, ASL?
<Impi> getting you to like meeeeeee
<Impi> shut up fuckface
<reubkg> Improv, would it be okay if I added every page in Wikipedia to VfD then?
<Impi> im singing
> I don't speak American Sign Language, no
<Impi> speak sign laguage?
*** Pi is now known as HAL9000
*JesuitX* can you please explain how you feel it is right?
<gasjews> improv: i was asking Impi if he was a GMAD, and if so, where he was and what his
+age was
> Oh, Age, Sex, Location
<HAL9000> This conversation can serve no useful purpose.
<HAL9000> Goodbye, dave
<gasjews> improv: if you don't know what a GMAD is, try www.gmad.org
> 26, Male, Pittsburgh
<gasjews> pittsburgh!
<Impi> omgomgomgomg
<Impi> i also like in Pittsburgh
<gasjews> are you a grad student?
*** Mode change "+b *!*pgunn@128.237.232.*" on channel #GNAA by HAL9000
*** You have been kicked off channel #GNAA by HAL9000 (Goodbye, dave.)
*** #GNAA :Cannot join channel (+b) (You are banned)
<timecop> ./wikipedia.pl
<gasjews> if you set up a database of groups that oppose each other, e.g.
<gasjews> Indians                  Pakistanis
<gasjews> Jews                      National Socialists
<gasjews> if you could make "justified" complaints on behalf of each against the other
<reubkg> heh
<Impi> man why did u ban the toy
<gasjews> delete half of wiki
<Impi> god damn fuck
<Pi> Improv: behave or i'll have a k-line placed kthx
<reubkg> gasjews shhhh the spy is back
> Well, it was fun. If you do want to chat, on AIM I'm dachte000, or in email, I'm
+pgunn@dachte.org
<JesuitX> pi
<JesuitX> dont kline
<JesuitX> i think Improv is capable of listening to reason
> No need to k-line, I'm leaving.
<Impi> we know who you are
<JesuitX> not to mention
*JesuitX* just now
<Pi> Improv: have fun in your dream world, neo.
<Impi> now run along
<gasjews> improv: thanks for coming to discuss
*JesuitX* know*
> I don't like being kicked. I don't stick around afterwards.
> BYe
<gasjews> improv: best of luck
*JesuitX* if you walk away from this without explaining yourself
*** Improv has left channel #GNAA
*JesuitX* war is declared
*JesuitX* well
*JesuitX* that did it
*JesuitX*> When you kick, what do you expect?
*JesuitX* I hereby declare war on you on behalf of the Gay Nigger Association of America
*JesuitX*> You want I should just keep coming back and being kicked again and again?
*JesuitX* i want you should understand how you are contradicting yourself, and leave the
+GNAA article alone
*JesuitX*> I believe the GNAA article is not encyclopedic
*JesuitX* but OTHERS believe it IS
*JesuitX* hence, it didnt get deleted BEFORE
*JesuitX*> And that's the joy of the democratic process
*JesuitX*> We can re-vote anytime
*JesuitX*> And keep considering it whenever people are interested.
*JesuitX*> That's the way Wikipedia works.
*JesuitX* yeah, and then you can't have a good article
*JesuitX* because all of the time spent on it is spent voting whether tod elete it or keep
+it
*JesuitX* democracy involves compromise
*JesuitX* and sticking to decisions
*JesuitX* otherwise you have anarchy
*JesuitX*> That's not the way wikipedia works
*JesuitX*> Our decisions are always open to reevaluation
*JesuitX* yes, under the assumption that people will respect groups' decisions
*JesuitX* which is something you apparently cannot do
*JesuitX*> I am respecting the decisions
*JesuitX*> I am inviting new ones instead of deleting the page outright. That's what it
+means to respect the decisions
*JesuitX*> I'm following the process. 
*JesuitX* you're not listening to me, my point is that a big part of keeping the site in
+good working order is to respect others' decisions
*Pi* hi
*JesuitX* the community didnt want the article deleted
*JesuitX* and that was fine
*JesuitX*> I am respecting their decisions
*Pi*> hi
*JesuitX* wrong
*JesuitX* you disprespect it
*Pi* You were looking for goat-see?
*JesuitX*> The way to do that is to follow the process
*JesuitX* because if it gets voted to be jkept again
*JesuitX* you're just going to redo it
*JesuitX* and you're going to keep doing it, until it gets deleted
*Pi*> I was, but I just wanted to have a conversation w/ some folks, present my side
*JesuitX*> Nah, I won't redo it myself
*Pi* I am goat-see
*JesuitX*> Ahh, I presume you know who I am
*JesuitX*> Oops
*JesuitX*> Wrong conversation
*Pi* I keep the nickname Pi on the irc network out of long tradition, since way before I
+joined the GNAA.
*Pi*> Ahh, I presume you know who I am
*JesuitX*> Talking with goat-see
*** Ending conversation with JesuitX
*** Starting conversation with Pi
*Pi* yes, I do.
*Pi*> Well, I just thought I'd pop in and express my side to a few folk
*Pi*> Not sure if there's much else left to say.
*Pi* You're welcome back in #GNAA, but I'm not up to hearing hours of bitching and am
+fairly quick to ban to make everyone shut up.
*Pi*> Oh, it's ok -- I wasn't anticipating returning -- was just a onetime visit
*Pi* What so bothered you about getting banned?
*Pi*> I just, as a rule, don't hang around long after being kicked
*Pi*> I've been using IRC for a long time -- old habit
*Pi* I'm also quite interested in how you could have seen the 2 previos VfDs and  listed it
+anyway. The conclusion for the past 2 times was to keep, and the only reason this one is
+failing is because people are just too bored of it to vote for keep, except for the
+vehement anti-gnaa people who have just now started to sock-pppet.
*Impi*> I work at CMU
*Pi*> I am not anti-gnaa, I just don't think the article should be kept
*Pi* the article was fine enough to keep the past two times
*Pi* did you just not notice that?
*Pi*> I have never sockpuppeted, nor encouraged such things
*Pi*> Many, perhaps most of the votes came from GNAA members
*Pi* a chunk of them *did*, i'm not denying that.
*Pi* Also, a good portion did not
*Pi*> In any case, the community is always free to change its mind
*Pi* after 3 weeks?
*Pi*> And I will not, myself, ever propose its deletion again (although I will likely vote
+yes on other peoples attempts)
*Pi*> I was unaware that it had been only 3 weeks, indeed, that it had ever been VfD'd
+before, before I already had begun the process.
*Pi*> Although given that I think it should be deleted, I continued even after I noticed
*Pi*> I take it you approve of the efforts to hack my blog and deface my user page on
+wikipedia?
*Pi* I am currently taking no stance on your blog or wikipedia user page.
*Pi*> Okie. Probably wise.
*Pi* I just think you're thick skinned to have seen both VfDs and listed it anyway.
*Pi* I wouldn't have had the bloodymindedness
*Pi*> I care about what I see as the good of Wikipedia
*Pi* And getting an article about a real organization deleted is good?
*Pi*> I also vote to delete elementary schools
*Pi*> Not everything belongs in an encyclopedia
*Impi* I work for money
*Pi*> Look at my VfD history -- you'll find a consistant philosophy for when I vote to
+delete. I have no particular grudge against your group.
*Pi* A grudge you may not have, but the fact remains
*Pi* the community decided to keep it. twice.
*Pi*> And I am opening the topic for reconsideration. That's kosher by the rules.
*Pi* You are aware that this is a futile effort and that the article is going to end up
+kept, and the book rules which you adhere so closely to will end up being modified as a
+result of this.
*Pi* I think a quote from Bushwhacked illustrates this point quite clearly: "If the manual
+told you to stick your weiner in a light socket, would you do it?"
*Pi* sometimes common sense has to win out over rules.
*Pi*> I'm doing what I feel is right for the community, and it's in alignment with the 
+rules. The consequences don't matter so much, and I am not so sure it will survive VfD
+again.
*Pi* The other admins and editors seem to think that it's far too early for the article to
+have been relisted. Your feelings of what's right for the community aren't even the
+community's feelings.
*Pi*> I am part of the community -- my feelings are part of theirs
*Pi*> There are several who approve.
*Pi* Funny, the only editor I see approving was The Anome, who, in a complete break of
+process, speedy-deleted the article and locked it as a redirect to Slashdot Trolling
+Phenomena.
*Pi* that was the first VfD incident
*Pi*> Ambi approves
*Pi*> 1 sec, going down the line
*Pi*> anthony
*Pi*> Well, he kinda waffles
*Pi* Anthony doesn't mention the article at all
*Pi*> He talks about general policy 
*Pi* he is talking about the VfD process and how you relisted it.
*Pi* Also, i've tried to keep a good point of view on the article
*Pi*> FireStar also
*Pi*> *shrug*
*Pi*> It's a disputed call. So it goes.
*Pi* WRONG BITCH
*Pi*> Why do you need to be non-civil?
*Pi* hes' contesting your listing of the article
*Pi*> Childish insults don't help anything.
*Pi* okay. So two editors think the article should go, instead of one.
*Pi*> There are several people voting for delete.
*Pi* I did notice that
*Pi* I also notice they list no reasoning
*Pi*> When they list no reasoning, it's generally because they agree with the proposal's
+given reasons. 
*Pi* The ones that do are either "I voted fordeletion on the last time, so i'm going to be
+stubborn and list it again" or come up with the same old "non encyclopedic vanity entry"
+crap
*Pi* If it were a vanity entry, it would say "COME JOIN GNAA!! WE'RE THE BEST!!"
*Pi* Does it do that?
*Pi*> That's what it is. A non-encyclopedic vanity entry that doesn't meet Wikipedia's
+standards for notability.
*Pi* No. It lists the facts in a fairly objective manner.
*Pi* no, it's not. The article was decided to be a non-vanity entry both previous VfD events
*Pi*> It's still blatantly vanity, even if it is not as self-aggrandizing as it could be
*Pi*> And it is open for redecision.
*Pi*> All such decisions are open for reexamination. That's the way things work on Wikipedia
*Pi* If the issue had changed, I would agree with you more
*Pi* but the article went mostly unchanged between the two votes
*Pi*> Doesn't matter.
*Pi* I added some crap about rolloffle, but if that were too much, it should have been
+reverted
*Pi* Oh? It doesn't?
*Pi* Relisting the *same article* on deletion request just doesn't make sense.
*Pi*> No. The people can reexamine the decision at any time w/o the page being changed.
*Pi*> It's the way the Wikipedia democracy works.
*Pi* Is the consensus going to be any different if the page is the same?
*Pi*> Yes.
*Pi*> Different people vote.
*Pi*> I, for example, was not around for the first vote.
*Pi* Pity.
*Pi*> Anyhow, I'm heading off now -- need to focus on my fMRI analysis
*Pi* Have fun
*Pi* You are aware that this conversation was pasted to #GNAA, corret?
*Pi*> Ahh, no, but it doesn't matter.
*Pi* Ok.
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*Pi* Have fun.
*Pi*> Have a nice day.
*Pi* YHBT.
*Pi* YHL HAND.
*Pi*> Actually, I may post this somewhere too, although your part isn't at all objectionable
*Pi* on your blog? LOL.
*Pi*> JesuitX has made a few suggestions that might be worth making visible.
*Pi*> Possibly, although more likely on Wikipedia itself.
*Pi*> Anyhow, be well.
*Pi* Okay.
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*Pi* See you around.