Talk:Magdeburg Cathedral

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Former featured articleMagdeburg Cathedral is a former featured article. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, check the nomination archive) and why it was removed.
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DateProcessResult
October 6, 2004Featured article candidatePromoted
September 30, 2008Featured article reviewDemoted
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on September 28, 2004.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that the Cathedral of Magdeburg is the highest church in East Germany and houses the grave of Emperor Otto I. the Great?
Current status: Former featured article

Featured[edit]

Wasn't this article featured some weeks ago. Sep 26? --Pjacobi 12:33, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

No. →Raul654 18:27, Dec 18, 2004 (UTC)

former East Germany[edit]

Why does my page on Cathedral of Magdeburg show "East Germany" but when I go to edit it shows "the former East Germany"?

Magdeburg is and always was located in CENTRAL Germany. From 1949-1989 it was in the Soviet-occupied "German Democratic Republic" (which used to be called colloquially "East Germany" by some Americans).--dunnhaupt 18:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Slight correction: East Germany was the name for the DDR used throughout the English speaking world, not just by "some Americans", also not relevant here, but to try and imply that Soviets were to blame for everything in the "Soviet-occupied DDR" needs challenging. From 1949 onwards the DDR was a sovereign* nation within the soviet bloc. *This meant it made its own internal decisions, like e.g. the building of the Wall--IsarSteve 09:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

foundations[edit]

There is a dicussion about what Cathedral was based on here: link. Perhaps this should be corrected in the article? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 13:30, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

What Watt?[edit]

418 Watts would be just enough for four 100 W bulbs. I guess you mean kilowatts.--dunnhaupt 18:40, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Name Change[edit]

I would like to suggest changing the name of this article from "Cathedral of Magdeburg" to "Magdeburg Cathedral".

My reasoning for this, the new name sounds more precise. The current name would in any case, NOT be used by someone who uses English as a first Language.

As an example: We don't say "Abbey of Westminster" or "Cathedral of Salisbury" but Westminster Abbey and Salisbury Cathedral.

I would appreciate your views on this subject.--IsarSteve 21:50, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Searching google for the respective terms (and filtering for Wikipedia related stuff), I get twice as many results for Cathedral of Magdeburg than for Magdeburg Cathedral. In light of this, I would keep the current title, but I can live with either title. -- Chris 73 | Talk 02:07, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Chris, I checked out your links... Hmm.. You are right of course in what you say, BUT Google uses its own form of English "Googlish" which makes it easier to find as many articles as possible by separating the two words with an "of". I would suggest that this is not the best form for the English Wiki to take. Reading through the lines of your reply, I take it you understand what I mean and that you would never advocate using "Abbey of Westminster" when speaking of that place? Gruß aus Berlin--IsarSteve 10:10, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Not quite sure what you mean with "of", but i placed the entire search term in "" and the "Of" should be part of the text. Quickly skimming through the results, i did not see a "Cathedral magdeburg" result. To me it still looks like the current title is used more frequently. Shall we wait for other comments? -- Chris 73 | Talk 10:17, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, let's wait and see if anyone else (apart from us) "actually reads this bumpf". Regarding the "of" .....check out your link again, and you'll see that "of" is not part of the title!! Cathedral of Magdeburg At the top of the page it says in "blue" Magdeburg / Cathedral connected by an "of" in black, meaning two separate titles! See what I mean? This doesn't mean there is a title "Cathedral of Magdeburg"--IsarSteve 10:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, according to Google, the only title "Cathedral of Magdeburg" ..is this one.. here on WiKi. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by IsarSteve (talk • contribs) 10:29, 16 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]
Nope, sorry, you apparently don't know how Google works -- if you use "Cathedral of Magdeburg" as the search term, it ONLY searches for the full phrase, so it seems Chris is right and the current title also is. —Nightstallion (?) 14:44, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My .... I can't believe all this idiocy... I just read you entry at another place and really can't believe you can be so.... Cathedral of Magdeburg is wrong, please expalin why we don't say Cathedral of Westminster but Westminster Cathedral ?? You've no answer for that one.. have you? Because es ist schlicht und einfach falsch!! --IsarSteve 15:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And by the way, I'm not interested in numbers here (google numbers), as you two obviously seem to be, I am interested in correct English... If you can't up with anything better than that then... Kopfschuttel --IsarSteve 15:09, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Both "Magdeburg Cathedral" and "Cathedral of Magdeburg" are correct English, so that's not the question to ask. The question is, what is the mostly commonly used name in English? The Google test indicates "Cathedral of Magdeburg" is more common. On the other hand, Magdeburg's official website uses "Magdeburg Cathedral" on its English-language page. Aren't there more important things to worry about at Wikipedia? —Angr 15:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just because one church is named Westminster Cathedral, not all churches must have this order. See Sea of Japan vs. Caspian Sea, not Japan Sea and Sea of Caspia. Or take Cathedral of Trier as another example, with 21 000 Google hits for Cathedral of Trier and only 580 for Trier Cathedral. IsarSteve, try to relax, life does not hinge on how we call that church. -- Chris 73 | Talk 01:07, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm very much relaxed thanks :o), I accept Angr's argument, even though HE IS an AMERICAN!! :o). BUT I'm still not happy with the title, because in my opinion it looks "Foreign" to English eyes. Once again I repeat, "Cathedral of Madgeburg" is totally correct when used with an article (THE is put in front of it). But as a name standing alone, "Magdeburg Cathedral" is the correct usage. --IsarSteve 00:31, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Towers[edit]

NOT the tallest towers in East Germany, according to the list Stralsund is taller. I corrected this.--dunnhaupt (talk) 15:44, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Catherine[edit]

Do we have a picture of the statue of Saint Catherine? (There is a comment about it in the Magdeburg article and I'm curious about it). RJFJR (talk) 17:13, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Organ[edit]

Construction is scheduled to be completed in 2007, and the new organ will hopefully be used for the first time in 2008.

And was it? Interesting article. Sca (talk) 20:28, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Dome"[edit]

Interesting article about a fascinating historic structure. One question: It says Otto was also able to complete the interior construction, and formally opened the dome in 1363.... Do we mean the English word "dome," or the German word Dom — which is the German term for cathedral — ?? Sca (talk) 16:15, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The technical term for cathedral in German is "Kathedrale", but it's never used in proper names. Usually cathedrals are either called "Dom" or "Münster" in German. The problem is many big churches are called that way, whether it's a "real" cathedral or not. It's therefore often not correct to translate "Dom" as cathedral. Many of them are indeed collegiate churches (Stiftskirchen) or just big (like the principal Catholic church in Frankfurt). There as well "Dom" is often translated as cathedral, but it has never been one. And nobody calls this church "Kathedrale" in German. --77.181.221.65 (talk) 21:20, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Long time ago, but similar question: not every Dom is a cathedral, a bishop's seat. This one was a cathedral, but is no longer. How would that be reflected in the name? If "Cathedral" is kept in the name, why not Magdeburg Cathedral, similar to others? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:49, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, this church is still a cathedral, as it is the seat of the bishop of the Evangelical Church in Central Germany. As for the Magdeburg Cathedral vs Cathedral of Magdeburg issue, there has been a move request, but I should start a new one, I guess. Madcynic (talk) 09:13, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WWI[edit]

I deleted The cathedral survived World War I without major damage because the only parts of then-Germany that suffered major damage in the First World War were certain towns in East Prussia and, possibly, Alsace. Sca (talk)

Rhetoric[edit]

Communist leaders tried to suppress religion as a potential threat to communist doctrine, thus being active in church was a social disadvantage. The eradication of religion could not be accomplished, however, and ....

Is this rather accusatory cold-warish passage really relevant to the history of the cathedral? Sca (talk) 16:28, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vague / unclear sentence[edit]

Magdeburg became a leader in the Protestant reformation, and was outlawed by the emperor.207.161.191.93 (talk) 00:04, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oldest Gothic Church in Germany?[edit]

According to the Trier Tourist Bureau and UNESCO, the Liebfrauenkirche (Trier) was the first. This needs clarification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WIKI1Q2W3E4R (talk • contribs) 21:56, 10 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 July 2015[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move per request. In this case the web search disparity matches what is evidenced through Books, Scholar and News searches, indicating the target is the more common name, but for future reference Madcynic, that is not always the case and as is stated in multiple places, such results that concentrate reliable sources should be defaulted to before ever presenting the results of a web search (when search engine results are to be used).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:10, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cathedral of Magdeburg → Magdeburg Cathedral – Once again, I propose to move this page to its common English name. A quick google search gives only about 30k hits for "Cathedral of Magdeburg", while "Magdeburg Cathedral" has almost 700k results. The new page name would be in line with other church articles, e.g. Westminster Abbey, Salisbury Cathedral. Madcynic (talk) 09:23, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support per nom 76.120.162.73 (talk) 20:34, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. Yes, there are a few of these strange constructions around that are clearly just non-intuitive literal translations into English. I've moved many of them over the years. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:28, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Is Otto I (next to Eagdyth in Magdeburg) holding an orb with no cross?[edit]

Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HerscherpaarMagdeburgCathedral.jpg and note that it is not without question that this IS Otto I and his wife Eagdyth. WHAT is he holding? An orb? A plan-view of a nearly-circular walled city? Something like the breast-plate of the Israelite High Priest?2604:2000:C682:B600:FC9C:4C2:2514:9A8F (talk) 15:49, 18 July 2016 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson[reply]

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Cathedral rock under the church[edit]

Hello, the text about "Domfelsen" ist not correct. Look the article in the german wikipedia. The complet Church stands on it, also the south tower, but it are some sediments (5 -10 meters thick) beetween the rock and the church. The Rock is ca. 10 meters unter the cathedral. The cathedral has not a direct contact to the rock. Geological drillings since 1993 found the rock more than 10 m under the church.

Look also the article in the german wikipedia about the eight new bells from 440 kg to 14 000 kg (the second largest bell in germany after the big bell in Cologne Cathedral), will be installed in the next years. The Schuke-Organ from 1970 will be restored in the next time. 32-Fuß-Freak (talk) 16:44, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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