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Move[edit]

Okay, I hope someone is watching this page. I propose to move this to Cuisine of Russia, its proper name. The adjective form (Russian) shouldn't come first, and the convention is almost always to have it this way. Objections? --Dmcdevit 01:55, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"Kur vo schi" - this is a common mistake. The correct expression is "Kur v oschip" (Chicken to be plucked), having nothing to do with schi. Schi does not normally include chicken anyway. So I am removing that part. Ornil 07:27, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I've found both versions of the proverb on the web, and neither one seems to be definetely correct, but I'm ok with removing it. Frejk 12:16, 21 Oct 2005 (UTC)

I know that both versions exist. Here's an interesting link [1] (in Russian). Since this is rather irrelevant to the topic anyway, I think we should keep it out. --Ornil 21:27, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Someone please add Halodetz and olivea. The former is frozen meat soup (or something else :)) and the latter is a salad.

What is "milk gamma"? Can't find this on Google, looks like a mistranslation to me. 4hodmt 10:30, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My guess is it's the "range" (Гамма) of milk products. Man vyi 11:31, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering if anyone also thought that in the main body of the article there should be some discussion of the role of orthodoxy in russian food and eating habits ?

Stavlennyi myod has nothing to do with vodka, except that it was one of its origins. I'm correcting it. --Khathi 00:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Soups[edit]

I have a certain amount of sourced historical information about Kyssel & sour cabbage soup from the Domostroi and Food in Russian History and Culture. Edited by Musya Glants and Joyce Toomre. (Bloomington, IN: Indiana University Press, 1997). Should I put it in here? JenniferHeise (talk) 20:51, 21 March 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JenniferHeise (talk • contribs) 19:31, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Drinks[edit]

There is no such drink as "medok" - there is medovukha, which is something in between kvas and mead. In antiquity, there was Med, which one is to suppose was like mead. Med in modern sense is honey, nothing more. "Curdle" isn't really an entity either.--jestingrace (talk) 07:31, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is this Ukha?[edit]

A Russian friend in the Canadian Pacific region showed me how to make a soup of salmon (or Arctic char) of fillets poached in a court bouillon made of the fish head/remains and seasonings which were also usually duplicated to be served in the finished soup: fennel,dill, leeks or scallions/green onion, thinly-sliced potato or other roots etc. A splash of vodka was also added towards the end of cooking. It is the best soup in the world but I have no name for it: is it ukha? Plutonium27 (talk) 00:01, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If it didn't have vodka, it would be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jestingrace (talk • contribs) 05:46, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

With or without the vodka, and with a good sourdough on the side, it is heaven in a bowl. Secret is to use white mirepoix and no carrot or parsnip (too sweet). Oh so good. Plutonium27 (talk) 14:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According to my Dad (native-born Russian) ukha must be a soup with a clear broth, everything else is "negotiable." Nikolaidonskoj (talk) 10:59, 25 November 2011 (UTC) Yes of course-Ukha(уха). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.103.195.2 (talk) 07:41, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Possible merge[edit]

Maybe we should merge this with soviet cuisine. I mean they were still russians, just under soviet regime. Why have two different articles about what's basically part of the same history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hawkeye14 (talk • contribs) 13:39, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I know my reply is a little late, but I think a merge sounds like a good idea.Wacko Jack O 09:00, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Soviet "cuisine" refers to typical cafeteria, factory-made and multi-ethnic foods that were consumed all over the former Soviet Union. It is a historical curiosity, growing fairly irrelevant with changing tastes, and combining it with "Russian cuisine" makes no more sense than combining the article on chicken tikka masala with the article on traditional English cuisine. A good question, though, is why wikipedia needs an English language article on "Soviet cuisine" at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.151.62.7 (talk) 18:10, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia needs it because it is one of the historical cuisines. --Zlerman (talk) 03:25, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be a serious error to combine Soviet cuisine with Russian cuisine, but we have a serious linguistic problem currently. While Soviet cuisine refers to the multinational cuisine developed in the 1930's the adjective Russian (russki or russkaya)traditionally referred to the cuisine of the Russian ethnicity. Today, however, we have terms that denote widely different realities: on one hand, we have "russkaya kukhnia" (Russian cuisine) on the other, we have "rossiskaya kukhnia" (Cuisine of Russia, i.e., the varied cuisines found within the Russian Federation). "Cuisine of Russia" would be the logical continuation of "Soviet Cuisine." Nikolaidonskoj (talk) 11:16, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lead image[edit]

...was removed by a SPA.[2] If the rationale is in error, please restore. Otherwise, plea

Pryaniki[edit]

I know nothing in wiki. I don't understand (even) how i can write this message in English. But i'm russian, and after i've read the article about our cuisine, i cannot help saying there are no info about a wide variety of russian sweet food products. Our Pryaniki (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Пряник) are different from others in Europe. There are also kulichi, Pashas, blini (not pancakes at all), etc. And, in conclusion, writers have forgotten some words about russian kashi (porridges, they don't like others).

Sorry for my English, may be it won't become a reason for WW3. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.16.215.122 (talk) 20:20, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Urine?[edit]

One of the headings says "Urine in a pot". Is this vandalism or some regionalism that isn't explained? Ranvaig (talk) 23:47, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

ClueBot fixed it in under a minute. You were just unlucky to see it. Ronhjones ^(Talk) 01:18, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

traditions of the Russian people[edit]

Are Tatars or Georgians Russian people?Xx236 (talk) 10:20, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The entire article is a hodgepodge of Eastern Slavic (and Polish) cuisines which overlap. On top of this, it is almost entirely unsourced with WP:OR all over the place. Unfortunately, as is noted above by an editor who hasn't edited since 2010, the article is "needed" for the 'historical cuisines' section of the List of cuisines article. That article is an abandoned mess featuring very few cuisines, most particularly the historical cuisine list. It is also unfortunate that the food project has a very, very low threshold for the standard of their sourcing. This article alone could do with more than half of it being removed as OR, and a rethinking of how such articles should be presented. There's far more sense in linking the articles by region with common cuisines than in presenting them as stand alone and unrelated to neighbouring ethnic groups. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:00, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]