Talk:Battle of Qarqar

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There is some debate over the Israelite number of chariots...usually, alliances are listed with the amount of troops/equipment in descending order. Since the first two kings send 1200 and 700 chariots respectively, Israel should send have sent less than that. -RomeW

12 or 11?[edit]

The article states that the coalition had 12 kings, but only 11 are mentioned in the list. DMTsurel 07:48, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The article states that Kizzuwadne is the phoenician city of Byblos. I remember that Kizzuwatna is the name of the early kingdom of Cilicia. (check Desideri & Jasink's book about Cilicia)

According to Mario Liverani's book (Antico Oriente - Laterza ) the number of arab camel-riders was 1000, not 10000.

THis article is in severe need of updating, old outdated identifications need to be removed (ie Kizzuwadne has no place here), several cities are erroneously named as kings, etc. 218.215.194.35 (talk) 00:29, 26 March 2008 (UTC)Joe Baker[reply]

There were only 11 on the inscription, the suggestion is that '12 kings' just meant an alliance. I've updated the list to reflect what the inscription says, removing someone's suggestion of who the kings were, the 'riders' of the camels as the inscription says camels (and reducing the number to 1000 from 10000). I wonder where in the world whoever put that stuff in the article got it from. --Doug Weller (talk) 15:57, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

another source for future editing[edit]

[1]--Doug Weller (talk) 14:55, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

and [[2]] also [[3]] and [[4]] --Doug Weller (talk) 14:58, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Size of the Assyrian army[edit]

What scholars question the Assyrian value of 100,000 and why? Certainly they would not have been fewer than the Aramaic-Israelite side of c.65,000, so if logistics is the issue, why is 100,000 impossible as the Assyrian records themselves claim? Cornelius (talk) 18:23, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

King Ahab?[edit]

I've read elsewhere that the text of the inscription doesn't actually identify Ahab as King, just as "Ahab of Israel". If that's so it could make a big difference. Does anyone know if that's true or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.25.176.92 (talk) 13:38, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It is true (see translation), but it makes no difference. It's implied from the context. There's no scholarly debate over whether this person was a 'king', that's just obvious (and the other names in the list are of kings too). - Lindert (talk) 19:32, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

King Ahab of the little Israel sent 2,000 chariots and 10,000 soldiers, more as all other kings to this time? It seems the Israels add a "0" to this stele in modern time. 2,00 chariots and 10,00 soldiers is more realistic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:46:D0C:1EF8:DD56:6D2C:BBD5:D5AC (talk) 18:21, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It can't possibly be Ahab. Ahab is 910 BC by the biblical count, and by the archeological understanding that Jericho was rebuilt early 10th century, and the bible says it was rebuilt in the time of Ahab.

The bible count places Jehoahaz (Ahaz perhaps, for short) in the time of Shal-manse'ser III. Hazel oppressed Jehoahaz all his days. Hazel is Hadezer, Benhadad, his son, erected the melquart stelle. If the battle of Qarqar is against a Benhadad, it must be later, the son.

One of two things. Either this is the battle where Jehoahaz lost his army, he lost it to the king of Syria, or Israel really appears where it says Ikerketans, because they gave the same number of units the bible said Jehoahaz had remaining after his army was destroyed. 2 Kings 13

But it is not Ahab, of that I am certain. There is no count of the biblical numbers that will put Ahab at 953 or later. I can't even imagine how someone came with that number for Ahab's reign. 2600:1004:B082:F7AE:373C:54DA:6685:230B (talk) 07:46, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I had read there was a commander named Biridri at this battle also?[edit]

But I don't see the name on this page?--JaredMithrandir (talk) 17:43, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]