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Ansel Adams - Farm workers and Mt. Williamson.jpg[edit]

Ansel Adams photo of Manzanar War Relocation Center

Umm... Famous photo. Ansel Adams. Used on Ansel Adams and Manzanar. Do I need to say anything else? --Dmcdevit 05:52, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Update: New version uploaded to the Commons. Purge your caches.

  • Nominate and support. --Dmcdevit 05:52, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose picture has little appeal by itself and I'm not even sure it adds significantly. Circeus 16:24, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Really good photograph though. Jonas Olson 17:13, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • If it's a good photo why are you opposing it? --Fir0002 08:46, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. not appealling Enochlau 23:48, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • I still oppose the new image... I'm sorry if I'm missing something, but I just don't find it appealing... what in your mind makes this a good picture? Enochlau 03:13, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Too dark shadows. --Fir0002 08:46, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose -- too dark. - Longhair | Talk 11:58, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Big Fat Rant: Do not oppose for easily fixable technical reasons. It's a public domain image; if you think it's too dark, say so and fix it, or wait for someone else to fix it. Can't we treat this process more like the FAC process and try to nudge an image along to featured status in a constructive manner? --MarkSweep 17:21, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. I added this picture to the Ansel Adams out of desperation for finding a PD example of his work. However, although it is has an echo of Adams' style, it isn't really a good representation of the work he his known for. Some web sites claim the image of 'The Tetons an Snake River' (eg. http://www.inkjetart.com/2450/48bit/page4.html) is public domain. But I couldn't find enough evidence to verify this. If anyone can confirm that it is PD, I would support the Snake River picture. -- Solipsist 15:40, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Yeah that snake river photo is fantastic. I have a similar one for my desktop background but it isn't PD Snake River --Fir0002 01:01, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • That one looks like a modern version of the Adams classic. In fact I've read that there is a marker on the road side indicating where to place your tripod if you want to get the same angle that Adams used. -- Solipsist 07:16, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • That image is in fact available from the US National Archives and Records Administration, here. However, the copyright status is still a bit unclear: Adams donated prints to NARA but kept the negatives. The prints held by NARA are in the public domain. So as long as we start from scans of those prints, we might be Ok. However, the only digital scans available from the NARA site seem to be tiny, low-quality GIFs. --MarkSweep 17:21, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • I think you are on the right track Mark. On the Library of Congress site all the Adams shots except for the Manzanar War Relocation Center photos have this copyright explanation. However the good stuff is on the NARA site even though the scans they make easily available are not so great. The instructions on how to find them are here, and the details for the Snake River picture (#148 in their standard search) are at basic-seach and enter 519904. The usage restrictions are marked as 'Unrestricted', which coupled with the evidence that he was working for the National Park Service in the early 1940s is good enough to state {PD}. So all we need now is any good scan of this picture. This site gives some good pointers and this is the best version I can find, which will do just fine. -- Solipsist 07:16, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
        • NARA provides two versions (scans of their print, I assume): a small but decent GIF version and a larger but too contrasty JPEG version. I strongly prefer the GIF version, since the JPEG scan doesn't look like an Adams print at all. I'm not so sure about the rationale for the {PD} tag. If Adams was commissioned by the NPS, his estate may still hold the copyright to the images; if he was employed by the government, he never held the copyright in the first place. What NARA is claiming is that the prints were gifts to the NPS and are in the public domain, whereas the negatives are not. I'm not sure if that is a defensible position, but we could take the view that if it's good enough for the US government, it's good enough for us. --MarkSweep 19:44, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Support. This is from the Library of Congress digital archive. A large high-quality scan is available. I'll adjust the contrast and upload a new version to the Commons. --MarkSweep 17:21, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Done. See note above. --MarkSweep 18:18, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Support. ugen64 03:53, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Adams deserves a better example of his work to be featured (hence the nom above.) Matthewcieplak 11:07, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • This contest is not "pick the one most representative example of Adams's work". First, this is not about Adams, but about striking illustration irrespective of who produced them. Second, what would be wrong with designating more than one example of someone's work as featured pictures? Just because an entirely different sort of picture (landscape, as opposed to documentary/photojournalism) by the same photographer was been nominated later doesn't mean this one here has to be voted down. I think it's best to consider each picture independently and in the context of the articles it occurs in. --MarkSweep 12:59, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Not promoted +3 / -7 -- Solipsist 20:12, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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