Talk:Abortion law

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Request for correction: France was not the first to constitutionally protect abortion rights[edit]

Yugoslavia was.

One could instead say that France is the first country that currently exists today to constitutionally protect abortion rights. Strawberrymilc (talk) 22:28, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest moving this sentence to the history section, or just removing it altogether. The introduction of the article is not the appropriate place to mention trivia, especially if it's not easily determined. Heitordp (talk) 05:54, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That’s not correct. The sentence in the introduction of this article says “In 2024, France became the first country to *explicitly* protect abortion rights in its constitution.” And Yugoslavia did not *explicitly* protect abortion rights in its constitution: It didn’t use the word “abortion” at all.
The article you linked itself says “Stating that “it is the right of a human being to freely decide on the birth of children,” Yugoslavia’s constitution did not explicitly guarantee abortion, as France’s does.” 2600:100A:B1C7:AB43:282A:B2DD:4B4C:332E (talk) 06:10, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Denmark liberalizing its law[edit]

It appears that Denmark is liberalizing its abortion law in multiple ways, including one which would require this article to be edited: It seems that the limit for on-request abortions is about to or has already been moved from 12 weeks to 18 weeks, which would require both the table and the map to be edited to reflect this change. 2600:100A:B1C9:E654:51F0:B875:EFAC:CE3B (talk) 10:24, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the news. The government only announced an agreement with the political parties, but the parliament will still have to pass a law, and it is expected to enter into force on June 1, 2025.[1] The article and map should be changed only at that time. Heitordp (talk) 16:13, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Australia[edit]

Australia should not be excluded for having not legalised abortion nationwide. This map claims that abortion is not legal in Northern Territory, which is also stated in the chart. However, this source, this source, this source, and this source all claim that it has been fully decriminalised in the territory, although they disagree on the date and which act fully decriminalised it. The article for Abortion in Australia also states that it has been fully decriminalised in all jurisdictions (although it erroneously said so before the 2023 law that made Western Australia the final state to do so), and this view is reinforced in this article which lists Canada and a few jurisdictions in Australia as the only places where abortion is not subject to criminal law. Although since then it has also become true in all of Australia, as well as New Zealand and Korea, and it left out the US states of Washington, Oregon, Alaska, Colorado, New Mexico, Minnesota, Michigan, New York, California, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Maryland, and Washington DC. Although Australia can't appear on the timeline, since abortion was never legalised nationally at a single time, but rather on a state by state basis over the course of years, it is still incorrect to state that abortion is not legal nationwide. 192.34.130.239 (talk) 20:48, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This issue has been discussed before here, here, here and here. The table in this article follows the UN classification, which makes a distinction between abortion allowed for social reasons and abortion allowed merely on request from the pregnant woman. The table and map in this article don't say that "abortion" is not legal in the Northern Territory, they say that abortion on request is not legal there, but that it's legal for social reasons. This assertion is based on the multiple sources cited in the table in the article, including one from an Australian state government, which explicitly say that the law of the Northern Territory does not allow abortion on request or on demand. Even after the changes in 2021, the law of the Northern Territory still requires that the medical professional agree that the abortion is appropriate considering "the woman's current and future physical, psychological and social circumstances". This is different from the law in other Australian subdivisions, which simply say that a doctor "may perform" an abortion up to a certain gestational limit, without listing any condition other than the woman's consent.
None of the sources that you cited say that the Northern Territory allows abortion on request or that it has been "fully decriminalised". On the contrary, the third and fourth sources that you cited clearly say that it's allowed if the medical professional agrees that it's appropriate in the circumstances listed.
The lead in the article Abortion in Australia is not entirely correct either. "Full decriminalisation" has not been enacted in all subdivisions of Australia, as some of them, including those that allow abortion on request, still have penalties in their criminal codes specifically for abortion not done by a medical professional. And decriminalisation doesn't necessarily mean allowing abortion on request; for example, Bahrain and Laos also don't have criminal penalties for abortion done by medical professionals, but their health regulations still impose professional sanctions, such as suspension or revocation of medical license, for abortion done other than in certain circumstances. Heitordp (talk) 02:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abortion Jalisco[edit]

Abortion was decriminalised in Jalisco two weeks ago via federal court ruling. The local Congress shall modify the local Penal Code, but it does not establish any time frame. Nevertheless, the Congress was notified today and local representatives could be punished if they don't harmonise the law soon. The decision can't be appealed and until this is done, abortion ban can't be enforced anymore (like in Coahuila and Aguascalientes). And just like in Coahuila and Aguascalientes, the gestational limit is unclear (until full legalisation).

Here are some news in English about this (there aren't many sources in this language), and some others in Spanish from bigger media outlets:

https://www.vallartadaily.com/jalisco-advances-in-abortion-decriminalization-legal-victory-overturns-prohibition/ http://www.lawndalenews.com/2024/05/mexicos-jalisco-state-decriminalizes-abortion/ https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/jalisco-will-be-the-13th-mexican-state-to-decriminalize-abortion/

https://www.notisistema.com/noticias/llega-al-congreso-notificacion-judicial-para-despenalizar-aborto-en-jalisco/ https://cnnespanol.cnn.com/2024/04/26/jalisco-estado-numero-13-mexico-despenalizar-aborto-orix/ https://www.elfinanciero.com.mx/estados/2024/04/25/jalisco-despenaliza-el-aborto-tribunal-declara-inconstitucional-su-prohibicion-tras-amparo/ Aleqc (talk) 00:51, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Aleqc: Thanks for the news. I updated Jalisco in the article and map. But Aguascalientes is no longer unclear, its congress has already changed its penal code. Heitordp (talk) 03:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]