Talk:List of skeletal muscles of the human body

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Duplicate muscles[edit]

I notice that Obliquus capitis superior muscle and Obliquus capitis inferior muscle are mentioned both in "Lateral" neck muscles and in "Posterior" neck muscles. Should they remain in both sections, or be removed from one of these? Bibeyjj (talk) 11:05, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think they should only appear once, it's not like there are two different muscles named "Obliquus capitis superior muscle" (well, there are two muscles, one on each side, but we're ignoring that in this list). In fact I'm not sure at all about dividing up the muscles by section at all - I think a single giant sortable table with a "location" column would be more useful. Because I was comparing this list against some others (the ones Claes mentioned below) and it's really hard to quickly tell if a muscle is missing besides putting both lists in alphabetical order and going down the lists. Mathnerd314159 (talk) 20:22, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I find this is a very good suggestion. We could put it on the format: Is there any of the muscles currently in there which would not fit this format? or can we start implementing it to make sorting, compereson and assuring no duplicates easier?
name/Muscle Location in the body Origin Insertion Artery Nerve Action Antagonist Number of occurrences in a standard human body Wiki List Enum nr.
occipitofrontalis 1
Claes Lindhardt (talk) 09:21, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I thinm beeing able to quickly sort the list according to any one of these factors so that it can quickly be compared to other lists and updated is key, to staying up to date and making the information easily accessible? Claes Lindhardt (talk) 09:22, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I was thinking about just having a "Count" column instead of the number of occurrences and wiki number. So for example if the list was thumb muscle 1, thumb muscle 2, thumb muscle 3, the count would be 2,4,6 (2 muscle occurrences of each type, one on each hand). But of course it does require a little more work of actually clicking through to each muscle page and counting the number of occurrences instead of just the current ???. Mathnerd314159 (talk) 04:56, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I looked at the page, the columns are pretty much all the same for each section. The bigger issue is what counts as a muscle / table row. E.g. occipitofrontalis is divided into the occipitalis and frontalis bellies. I personally would just list the most specific reference, so two rows for occipitalis and frontalis and not mention occipitofrontalis. The current organization gets around this by having indented rows within the table, but that won't work with sorting. Mathnerd314159 (talk) 05:03, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So maybe a row called: 'Common subdivisions' of the muscle? I like the idear of adding each occurance of a muscle as its own seperate entety in the list. Then it could be specefied in the 'location in the body which of the occurences of the muscle which is beeing refered to. Claes Lindhardt (talk) 13:19, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I tried adding an incompleate example of what we could do some of the [insert muscle] 2 are stilling missing some info, but it just have to be copied in from the identical muscle which is listed above it. With this list musle, it would be clear, how many there is of each muscle where they are as well as the total number of all muslce that one would find in a standard human born in our life time Claes Lindhardt (talk) 13:55, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
After turning the tables already on wiki into sortable tables I noticed the blocks merged vertically are not so much the problem as these are automatically split when sorting, it is more vertical lines who are supposed to act as an indirect identifier such as: 'Rectus muscles' which sometimes start to be the wrong place after the lists are sorted. So that is one thing we need to overcome before we merge all the tables into one grand table. This could be solve like below by simply adding it in the name of all the muscles which it is relevant to. Claes Lindhardt (talk) 14:02, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It seems obliquus capitis inferior and superiors both have dublicates under the list of Neck muscles. Claes Lindhardt (talk) 09:05, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
as well as rectus capitis lateralis Claes Lindhardt (talk) 09:08, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
tried to list all the dublicates: dorsal interossei, latissimus dorsi, levator scapulae, rectus capitis lateralis, obliquus capitis inferior, obliquus capitis superior is there 2 times, it also seems like innermost intercostal and internal intercostal are really the same thing? semispinalis capitis and splenius capitis is somehow in the neck and torso? Sternohyoid and sternothyroid seems oddly similar no?
if I missed one please let me know. Otherwise lets remove one of each? Claes Lindhardt (talk) 19:32, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's deduplicated now. Quite easy to add duplicates if you aren't paying attention... Mathnerd314159 (talk) 21:11, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
is vocalis the same as: thyroarytenoid and thyroarytenoid? Claes Lindhardt (talk) 13:51, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The articles: Depressor anguli oris muscle and Transverse muscle of the chin also seems strange simmilar?(linked from: depressor anguli oris and transversus menti in this list Claes Lindhardt (talk) 15:00, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The pictures from Depressor anguli oris muscle and Transverse muscle of the chin, seems to be the same in:Depressor labii inferioris muscle even though this is not the same muscle no? Claes Lindhardt (talk) 15:06, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
They're all different muscles in TA. I have found that Wikipedia is lacking in good pictures for many muscles. If you google the muscles for better pictures you will see. Mathnerd314159 (talk) 21:25, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Would it make sense to make a list of these? so that there is a central starting point for someone who wants to update them or create conistency in it? or is that just extra work which will not be used? - I think that in the case mentioned above it a bigger issue as it can be potentially misleading? Claes Lindhardt (talk) 10:24, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As the photo issues aren't really with this list, and span multiple pages, I have opened a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anatomy#Bad photos. I would say if you have more issues to raise then to write them there. Mathnerd314159 (talk) 15:46, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that seems like a much better solution. Thank you Claes Lindhardt (talk) 21:55, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
what is the difference between: longissimus thoracis, lumbar part and longissimus thoracis? Claes Lindhardt (talk) 20:36, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
is there an overlab between rotatores(long 1-11, short 1-11) and rotatores(lumborum, colli) or are they different muscles? Claes Lindhardt (talk) 21:17, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
iliococcygeus, pubococcygeus and Puborectalis muscle all link to the same artcle, which is not a problem. But the article describes these as just a part of the same muscle rather then different muscles? which is a bit confusing? Claes Lindhardt (talk) 21:56, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
is there an overlab between: semispinalis (thoracis, colli) and (semispinalis, splenius, splenius) Capitis later on? some of them seems to be using the same image? Claes Lindhardt (talk) 22:44, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What is the difference on 'pollical palmar interosseus' and 'palmar interossei 1-3'? Claes Lindhardt (talk) 16:09, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
and for pectoralis major and pectoralis major, abdominal part? Claes Lindhardt (talk) 19:35, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It would also be pretty cool if it were possible to filter the list by regions 41.75.181.200 (talk) 17:41, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Overlab between information in different columns.[edit]

with the two rows 'nasalis, alar part' and 'nasalis, transverse part' there seems to be an overlab between the information given in its name and in its location which is inconsistent with how we do it around Rectus, cricothyroid, arytenoid, cricoarytenoid and the still unsetteled Vocalis/thyroarytenoid? Claes Lindhardt (talk) 15:57, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It also seems strange to have occipitofrontalis as a location specefier in occipitalis and frontalis, no? Claes Lindhardt (talk) 16:02, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Same goes for iliopsoas. It also seems a bit strange to have in the location column? or am i overlooking something? Claes Lindhardt (talk) 19:20, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
adductor muscles(which occurs from gracilis to adductor minimus) also seems to describe a function rather then a location, even though this occurs in the location column maybe we could move this to the Agonistic relations column? Claes Lindhardt (talk) 20:08, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Same goes for adductor magnus Claes Lindhardt (talk) 20:10, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Levator ani also seems to be a muscle group rather then a location? in iliococcygeus, puboanalis, puboperinealis, puboprostaticus (males) / pubovaginalis (females) and pubococcygeus no? Claes Lindhardt (talk) 20:55, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Often (male), (female) or (male/female) is listed in the location column. This information does seem highly relevant. However location does not seem to be the ideal place for it. Should we prehabs make a new column denoting which gender in which a given muscle can be found? or is there a smarter way to denote this? we could of course only mark the muscles unique to one gender then we have to remove all (male/female) markings. However location still does not seem like the right column to do it in? Maye in the Occurences column? Claes Lindhardt (talk) 21:08, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
dorsal interossei also seems to have foot in its name, even though this infomation seems more appropriate in the location column. Claes Lindhardt (talk) 21:34, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
foot is a part of abductor digiti minimi (foot) even though that is locational information Claes Lindhardt (talk) 17:47, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Does it make sense that we have 'iliocostalis thoracis' with the location 'Torso, Back, right/left' when we also have other muscles with the location 'Torso, Back, thoracis, right/left' ?? Claes Lindhardt (talk) 20:29, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As well as longissimus thoracis, spinalis thoracis, multifidus thoracis, interspinales thoracis 1-3, intertransversarii, thoracis 1-9- Should we take the information out of the location column or out of the naming column? Claes Lindhardt (talk) 20:34, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If 'flexor digitorum superficialis' have superficialis in the name, shoulden't 'flexor carpi ulnaris, palmaris longus, flexor carpi radialis and pronator teres' not also have it in thier names? Claes Lindhardt (talk) 12:49, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It seems a bit strange that extensor indicis is deep but the rest of the extensor muscles in the upper limb are superficial? Claes Lindhardt (talk) 15:42, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How may muscles is the hemidiaphragm?[edit]

Is the hemidiaphragm 1 oe 3 muscles (lumbar/costal/sternal part) and does it really appear twice? or just once? Claes Lindhardt (talk) 21:47, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Table with latin name meaning[edit]

Would it make sense to make an overview of what the different lating suffixes and prefixes mean? to also make it easier to new commers?

or is that more then the page needs? I feel it might be usefull to have around untill we settle on some muscle naming convenctions and implement them? Also to make clear that multple of these terms kind of mean the same thing, as well as how inconsitent it is how much information a muslce name gives about the actual muscle.

Latin Term Meaning
Brevis short, little
Flexor a muscle whose contraction bends a limb or other part of the body.
Abbductor a muscle whose contraction moves a limb or part away from the midline of the body, or from another part.
Superior Above
Inferior Below, beneth
Dorsal on or relating to the upper side or back of an Organ
minimi small
opponens oppose, or opposite to
digiti finger
minor Smaller version
Major Larger versoin

Claes Lindhardt (talk) 16:22, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Human anatomy project seems to work around the following terms:
But I cannot find anywhere which is supposed to be used as pre-fix or suffix when? is there a guide to this somewhere that I am overlooking that we could use to make the naming of the muscle uniform? Also it seems to suggest minor, Major, Superior, Anterior, Inferior will always be locational information and thus never belong in the name? but rahter only in the location column? Does it make sense to update the convention to match this? Claes Lindhardt (talk) 20:38, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Visual representation to show orientation of muscles[edit]

Is there a way in which we could make something like: https://www.caskanatomy.info/browser/html5/fembrowser.html?fbclid=IwAR0sxmZMJ9ez-6ZxAk02G5KKziidEAYAv1QKhe6w6QvoElcOunmsH1yVsUQ but which could be opend in wikipedia, and where when you hover over a certain part a small square appears with the name of the muscle(and then maybe even a link that when you click it, it takes you to that given muscle). Woulden't that be a nice way to provide an easily navigable overview of the muscles in standard human body? Claes Lindhardt (talk) 17:09, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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