Talk:Faggot

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genetic sample collector[edit]

In some military training schools, a rumor is consistently spread (like an oral tradition) that this word means "gets fags" as in 'collects used cigarette filters' or other wet gene samples. In particular, the military drill associates used cigarette filters with needles and that they all need to be cleaned up before the old general arrives to inspect the premises... and perhaps collect all the samples?

Could this be a slur that non-breeding men use against men who donate or sell their body fluids to straights and lesbians for pregnancies?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.74.203.126 (talk) 04:40, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Broken cite in first paragraph[edit]

Hey all, I noticed there's a broken citation in the first paragraph, but not really good enough with citation formatting to know how to fix it myself. Cheers. Michaelk1811 (talk) 03:33, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Use against trans women[edit]

This slur is frequently used against trans women. Therefore, I think that there should be a section of the article talking about this. 92.0.35.8 (talk) 22:11, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@92.0.35.8 no Matteow101 (talk) 21:25, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This slur is frequently used against all people who were amab because it functions as gender policing.--Reprarina (talk) 02:14, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

US pejorative slang[edit]

This is an incredibly American article.

It has a short section detailing 'importation by and usage of the word within the United Kingdom' - except it really just isn't a word used much if at all as a pejorative / homophobic slur in UK culture. It is well-known, from aforementioned US media / cultural imports, but that's the point; it's known as something the Americans say.

British don't really use it, mostly because it's so confusing and weird to do so. We already (as mentioned) use 'faggot' for several innocuous things and it's a stupid-sounding word; 'fag' is universally a cigarette not a gay man in normal conversation... British teens will literally just use the direct call-out "Gay" as a pejorative and standard-strength homophobic slur (what a weird thing to be writing, by the way). If stronger is needed, they'll just add "Fucking" to something like 'queer' for best aggressive articulation of the mouth. 'Faggot' isn't harsh-sounding enough for the way Brits swear and curse.

So, look; this article is about a word which, due to awareness of Americanisms, causes problems from time to time in the UK (notably with censorship of the Christmas song 'Fairytale of new york') but this article should be far more clearly marked as being about a US slang pejorative term, as it's really not that in the UK and i just don't feel that this article reads clearly enough in that manner.

(And if you simply cite sources & examples, then yes of course you're going to very easily find all of the few dozen sensationalist examples in the media where it has been held up as a problem - and you're just going to ignore or miss the huge cultural backdrop of correct context - ie; you will get the wrong impression.) 2a00:23c7:3119:ad01:9de0:d1c8:7b0f:934d (talk) 17:01, 25 December 2022: (UTC)

    • What are you talking about? There is a section on British use that says all this. Did you even read the article? Dronebogus (talk) 05:42, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 15 April 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Faggot. Faggot moved to Faggot (disambiguation). (closed by non-admin page mover) – MaterialWorks (contribs) 15:17, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Technically "performed by" me per MaterialWorks's WP:RMTR due to protection. DMacks (talk) 16:02, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Faggot (slang) → Faggot (slur) – Slur seems more accurate than slang. While the article does mention that some people have reclaimed the term, it's much more widely perceived as a slur, isn't it? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 14:51, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • support per nom—blindlynx 15:27, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 16:19, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. Estar8806 (talk) 17:25, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, as per nominator. Paintspot Infez (talk) 17:43, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. It is only a slur in the US. The article encompasses British usage of the term, which has a different meaning and is not a slur. "Slang" would be broader and better captures all the meanings of the term discussed in the article. Walrasiad (talk) 15:48, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not American and I recognize it as a slur. The use in the United Kingdom section refers to other usages of the word, like the meatball, etc. It doesn't say that directing this specific term at a gay man wouldn't be considered offensive, just that other words are more commonly used for the same purpose. Since this article is specifically about this usage of the term and not about meatballs or cigarettes, that shouldn't really impact the title of this article. I knit and there's something called faggoting. I wouldn't claim that saying that to a guy was perfectly fine just because it happens to also be used as a knitting term, y'know? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:03, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The content of the article seems to be encompassing the term in all its slang uses, not merely as a slur. If you want to reduce the article to the US slur alone, then some content should be removed (to, say, a parent article on its other usages). Which seems to be rather pointless duplication. It seems to be more expedient to just keep it all here, and leave the title broad. Walrasiad (talk) 16:50, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) We already have faggot which disambiguates the other uses. Mentioning that there are other uses in the UK seems fine as background context. As I said, the UK section mentions that this is used as a pejorative there so saying this is simply a "US slur" is inaccurate. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:56, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to Faggot. This article is definitely the primary topic. 162 etc. (talk) 16:54, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support this, clearly PRIMARY.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:54, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support move to Faggot as very clearly the primary topic over the bundle of sticks, the meatball, or any other usage. :3 F4U (they/it) 23:44, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support move to Faggot per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. In any case, oppose proposed move to Faggot (slur). If it's to remain disambiguated, whether the disambiguator is slang or slur simply doesn't matter. Neither is "more accurate" than the other. Therefore no good reason to move. --В²C ☎ 04:29, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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