Talk:List of viscounts in the peerages of Britain and Ireland

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Lord Falkland:

Burke's describes him as "The 15th Viscount (of) Falkland", but leaves out the "of" when showing how to write to him: "The Rt Hon The Viscount Falkland, House of Lords, London, SW1A 0PW". Presumably this is the form he prefers. Proteus 10:43 GMT, 15th January 2004

A bold proposal[edit]

Given the discussion here and the general support for moving the article to a more descriptive and accurate title, would anyone object if I moved the article to List of viscounts in the peerages of the British Isles with a redirect from List of viscounts? I'm going to propose this for the other peerage pages, as well. Fishhead64 20:44, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Buckmaster[edit]

Did Lord Buckmaster's son die recently, as implied by the change to the Heir column? It's not reflected in either the title's article or the holder's. —Tamfang (talk) 05:01, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Behind a paywall, but yes Andrew Buckmaster died https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/births-marriages-and-deaths-april-18-2023-zjcpd3562 You can probably see it from the google preview if you search for "BUCKMASTER Andy died on 10th April 2023" Emk9 (talk) 06:17, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

subsidiary viscountcies[edit]

"Subsidiary Titles" is an odd title for other titles of equal rank. As the column has only one entry, any objection to removing it and making the 'head' column read The Viscount Massereene (also Viscount Ferrard) ? —Tamfang (talk) 06:34, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:PREFIX[edit]

@Emk9:: you reverted my removal of "The Hon.", which is a MOS:PREFIX, on the grounds that this is a page about viscounts anyway. While true, MOS:PREFIX lists several exceptions, which doesn't include "this is a page about another related title". I'm sure you could incorporate a mention regarding The Honourable#United Kingdom in a sentence somewhere, but I think it bloats the table and goes against the spirit of MOS:PREFIX, which is to avoid stuffing Wikipedia articles with prefixes and honorifics beyond what's strictly necessary. Thoughts? Pilaz (talk) 15:24, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have strong opinions on this, just thought it made sense to use here. It at least conveys a small amount of information, since it indicates that the person is the son of a Viscount (or other peerage) though the table specifically notes the relation of anyone who isn't the son of the current holder, so including Hon. doesn't really matter for most entries on the table. Anyway, feel free to revert me if you want, I just figured that since the MOS said "generally avoid" that this article probably fit within the exceptions, probably under commonname, since most of these people are only known due to there titles, and the peerage publications generally use titles like honourable. Emk9 (talk) 19:53, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That makes sense, I hadn't thought that readers might be interested to be able to identify whether the heir of a particular viscount is a son of the current viscount. I think the idea behind MOS:PREFIX is to avoid repetitive bloating of the article with titles, so I'm going to try a WP:BOLD edit with a note linking to The Honourable#United Kingdom and removing all "The Hon.", since the color indicates that. Feel free to revert or to improve my edit as you see fit. Pilaz (talk) 12:21, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]