Talk:Goldie and the Gingerbreads

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I wrote the German entry de:Goldie And The Gingerbreads. My English is not good enough to provide the same in your language. I would appreciate, to be informed of corrections or information added here, that my own article in the German section might lack. TIA--Psycho Chicken 20:56, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Goldie and the Gingerbreads at the Mods And Rockers Ball, New York 1964[edit]

I find contradicting information about the original cause of that party, where Goldie and the Gingerbreads' performance had such a big impact.

Genya Ravan writes in her book, that the photographer Jerry Schatzberg gave a birthday party for the Warhol-girl Baby Jane Holzer. As the latter's birthday is in October, it seems improbable that the party took place in June as stated somewhere else.

If you know more, please write a comment on my discussion page. TIA--Psycho Chicken 23:08, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

English Proofread[edit]

Have edited the page and tidied up the English language, spelling, grammar. Also removed a few redundant links and added a few minor details on the English tour.Plutonium27 21:57, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Have done further English language editing on the page - to tidy up a few bits - and I think the translation tag can be removed now. Plutonium27 14:27, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have commented-out the translation tag. This allows to quickly display it again, should anybody ever understand, what information Translation-Stage 4 is meant to convey...--Psycho Chicken 11:21, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Gingerbreads in NATO-Europe[edit]

(where many UK and US troops were then stationed as part of the NATO defences)

I do not see the significance of the observation, which is still valid in 2007, in the context of the article. @Plutonium27: You have done invaluable work and perfected the article. But should I add, that the best Gingerbread in all the world comes from Nuremberg, Germany? And would you care for a package, btw.? Anyway, NATO, UK and US troops are still around, but the Gingerbreads will never return. Cheers to Carol MacDonald.--Psycho Chicken 13:34, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The record companies were mostly interested in getting their artists exposed to English-speaking audiences. Continental sales were incidental. There was an enormous ready-made audience (and market) on mainland Europe at the time (afforesaid NATO bases) so any group touring the UK could esily get on a boat and get some important publicity in front of these ready-made US audiences. Military bases organised many social events and had the auditoria all ready. Of course the US troops also bought records too. Hence the importance of groups extended their tours, especially to West Germany Plutonium27 18:18, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure what the point of that observation either, given that rock and roll was popular with Germans and other non-British Europeans, and given that there were a number of home-grown German bands at the time. Timothy Horrigan (talk) 02:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

These American record companies needed to get their artists exposed to American audiences. This is where the new genres of rock n' roll and pop were created and developed and where sales revenue of recordings were most profitable.

With Elvis being sent to West Germany in 1958, they realised that GIs were an important and influential segment of the record-buying public. American Forces radio was also hugely popular both with soldiers and with local young people and so these gigs at European bases were an ideal way to establish a new artist's popularity. The importance of artists playing live to audiences was critical. So, that's why the record company wanted Goldie and the Gingerbreads to play the American bases in Europe.

Yes, rock n'roll was popular with Germans and others, and there were home-growm bands. Its because this demand for live music also was the opportunity for local acts - most of whom were imitations of successful American acts capitalising on the popularity of US culture and rock n'roll - to fill the local dancehalls in every town across the continent every Saturday night.

Record sales among continental Europeans were useful but not critical. The USA (and later UK) music industry saw no innovation nor likelihood of global appeal from continental artists. But well as providing live entertainment, some of the more commercially-minded of these would enter their own country's charts, often with watered-down rock n'roll "type" songs and/or novelty acts. Without the threatening attitude of youthful rebellion which characterised the early American hits, they were acceptable to larger segments of the local population. But not one of these German (or French or Italian) rock n' roll artists or bands had any market penetration beyond their own national or language borders. They were not considered serious rivals but instead easily-available substitutes for the real thing, no matter how sincere or accomplished. The same situation existed to some extent in the UK until the emergence of the home-grown genres of Merseybeat and the subsequent UK Invasion of The Beatles, The Kinks etc.

Mm'kay? Plutonium27 (talk) 05:16, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

rock, paper, scissors[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have been researching the beginnings of rock music and feel suggesting Goldie and The Gingerbreads as a rock band is misleading, they were a band who played music contemporaneous to the period. Rock music really evolved in the latter half of the sixties, therefore, a more accurate assessment would be to consider them a beat music band. Zerosprite (talk) 15:10, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I consent. While Ahmet Ertegun's “Atlantic Records” is certainly a major label, I have myself some trouble comparing Goldie and The Gingerbreads to the “first all-femal Rock-band signed to a major label”.., that band being known as “Fanny”. With Genya talking about Punk, while listening to her solo albums, is just as awkward. Categorizing the Gingerbreads is not an easy task. Just “knowing” stuff is not really helpful, here. Whoever has the courage to edit the genre (not me), do not worry, noone will blame you.--–ꟼsyc^ho ㄈhi¢ken 😭 (talk) 10:12, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]