Talk:Pepper

Nonexistent plant?

I don't know if this is some sort of spoof or just a very poorly written entry, but this plant: "Ukrainian Red Midget, Puniceus minimum, pusillus, a.k.a. Ukrainian Mean Pepper or, disputably, Thai Hot" does not appear to exist. The apparent scientific name "Puniceus minimum, pusillus" is, first, ambiguously formatted (what does the comma mean?), and, second, not a real name of any plant under the possible interpretations; there is no genus "Puniceus". I suspect both the entry in the disambiguation page and the article on "Ukrainian red midget" should be deleted. Paalexan (talk) 19:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I've restored "various" since not all plants of the genus Piper are pepper.

Is it OK to add a brief one-line reference to a character named "Pepper" from Josie (and the Pussycats)? --b. Touch 05:19, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Certainly; the article in general should be broadened, as the word "pepper" refers to more than just plants. Something on table pepper would be nice, and maybe a paragraph on metaphorical uses of the word. --LostLeviathan 09:30, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Disambiguation page status

I don't think it was a good choice to change pepper to not be a disambiguation page. Black pepper and capsicums (chile peppers and bell peppers) are very different things; it's always an improvement to disambig those links. I'm currently disambiguating them anyway, but I thought I would solicit opinions on whether pepper should be restored as a disambiguation page. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:06, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

There seemed to be so much good information on pepper as a plant (in its varying forms) at this page that I removed the disambig notice. Since I did so with no consensus you were free to restore it without discussion. A disambiguation page is not article and shouldn't contain any substantial - just enoguh to get the reader their desired location. If this was restored to a dab, the format would probably be something like:

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Pepper may refer to:

Plants

• The Piperaceae family
  • Notably the genus Piper
    • Including the black pepper, that appears on virtually every dining room table in parts of the world
• Capsicum genus
  • bell peppers
  • chile peppers
• Pink pepper corns, also called "Peruvian pepper" or "Caribbean pepper"
• Szechuan pepper corns are produced by a plant of the family Rutaceae, species Zanthoxylum piperitum
• Tasmanian pepper, a plant with hot leaves and berries from the Winteraceae family

Or

• "Pepper (song)", from the album Electriclarryland by the Butthole Surfers
• Pepper (band), a US pop band
• Barry Pepper
• Art Pepper
• John Henry Pepper, John Pepper
• William Pepper

==See also==

• Pepperwood
• Peppertree

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I don't like this becasue it loses some of current info. Another option would be to create a project page to work on articles (in contrast to dab pages) where "disambiguation" link repair is needed.--Commander Keane 06:19, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, Commander Keane. (I know I was free to restore it; I like discussing things first personally.) I'll think about what you said regarding the loss of information for a little while before doing anything. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:09, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Whatever the outcome, I'll work on (and ensure completion of) link repairing (ie WP:DPL) Pepper.--Commander Keane 16:13, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Cool! I've got it down to under 50 not counting Talk and User pages; the hard ones mostly require research to figure out what kinds of plants grow where (Singapore in particular has been driving me nuts; I'm still not sure) or refer to the "peppery" flavor, a notion that I think might actually deserve its own page, since a peppery flavor might be black-peppery OR chile-peppery, or a bit of both. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:27, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

There's a problem though -- fixing the articles that point to "pepper" is a problem because the large majority of them mean "pepper (spice)" as in "the group of spices commonly reffered to as pepper" which included spices based on the plant black pepper, as well as spices based on chili-peppers. I don't know how to fix this currently. Linking to current "pepper" is false, because they're *clearly* not talking about the band "pepper" for example, on the other hand, linking to "black_pepper" is also false, because they emphatically are not talking about that one specific plant. So. What to do ? Can we make a "pepper (spice)" article which mentions the various peppers as examples ? Or is that silly ? --Eivind Kjørstad 08:15, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Can someone change the link to Pepper tree as that currently leads to another disambiguation page? Perhaps by listing each of the three species/genuses listed on that page. I'm not so savvy with Wikipedia linking to do it myself. Thank you. Somerut (talk) 23:36, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Why no generic article on the topic of pepper, as in the spice, in all its forms?

It seems rather odd that "pepper" only appears as a disambiguation page. When I came here, I was expecting to find an article structured rather like the one for Salt giving an overview of pepper the spice with links to further articles describing specific varieties. It seems to me that a disambiguation page listing the main varieties of pepper the spice alongside other uses of the word is not a substitute for a proper article. The article on Salt and Pepper does not help as it restricts the term to "edible salt and black pepper". In my experience the condiments salt and pepper can include many different types of pepper and is not restricted to black pepper.86.159.20.198 (talk) 14:12, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure how one would structure it, since there are a lot of uses that have nothing to do with the spice (though salt has the same issues). I'd note that since white and green pepper are forms of black pepper, they're included there. Perhaps the disambiguation page should make mention of that? Acroterion (talk) 14:18, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Also:

"Pepper" is also a derogatory term for a Quebecois francophone.