Talk:List of classical music composers by era

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Alphabetical list[edit]

Text had this as alphabetical, which it may once have been. An alphabetical list is needed. algocu (talk) 13:24, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why the 1879 cutoff?[edit]

Why are there no composers listed that were born after 1879? --67.150.123.5 (talk) 00:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't know, but there's a smaller graphic at Classical composers time-line which covers only the most important composers since about 1440. We wanted one graph and realised that going back to 1150 would probably make the graphic far too wide and/or tall for most browsers. Comments welcome there. We also need to decide on the relevence of having two different timeline articles covering very similar things. Thanks --Jubilee♫clipman 22:38, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That page seems to be distinctly overlapping with the initial section here.

(That section is an embedded copy of Template:Timeline Classical Composers Famous (not currently used anywhere else, though it could potentially be used at Outline of music and Portal:Music and other places...?)).

I'd recommend merging that new article into the template. -- Quiddity (talk) 01:00, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, we need to include composers after 1879 - not only does the overview omit them, but there is no timeline for the last section of the list either which adds to the problem. Regarding the overview, I made a few changes to the Renaissance, Baroque and Classical era entries a few weeks ago, but would want to consult before attempting to remedy the later eras. Perhaps I should weed out one or two of those designated 'Romatics' and substitute one or two later ones to begin with? Initial suggestions for deletion/addition to the overview template please.... --(RT) (talk) 12:13, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have now extended the overview timeline to 2000. Further suggestions welcome. --(RT) (talk) 20:29, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

TfD of Template:Timeline Classical Composers Famous[edit]

Note that the overview timeline discussed above has failed TfD. --Jubilee♫clipman 17:25, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gustav Holst[edit]

The composer Gustav Holst (1874-1934) seems to be omitted from the list. 203.56.168.143 (talk) 22:12, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ralph Vaughan Williams[edit]

Ralph Vaughan Williams (1872-1958) appears to be missing from the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.158.146.227 (talk) 16:07, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Andrea Gabrieli should be translocated between Lassus and de Wert[edit]

In the RENAISSANCE ERA list, the composer ANDREA GABRIELI (b 1532/33) should be translocated between ORLANDE deLASSUS (b 1530/32) and GIACHES deWERT (b 1535). ANDREA GABRIELI, among the prominent founders of the Venetian School, was a contemporary and friend of deLASSUS, who in the present list appears 20 years after ANDREA GABRIELI. Antoniouwik (talk) 11:05, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think you mean the Renaissance composers timeline displayed here. Andrea Gabrieli's dates and position are now amended. (RT) (talk) 17:52, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

   REGARDING ANTONIO BERTALI

Is there still room for ANTONIO BERTALI (1605-1669), born same year as CARISSIMI, in the Baroque Era Composers timeline? His MISSA RESURRECTIONIS has been recorded live by Yale's Schola Cantorum in a fine atmospheric production (Dec 2005), whereas recordings of several other works of him are also available. Antoniouwik (talk) 09:08, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'm familiar with a number of recordings. Bertali is in the much longer List of Baroque composers (see the middle section)—this list links there. I believe there is a technical limit how many names can be included in a single timeline but it is certainly possible to add to any of them. (RT) (talk) 19:41, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Editing and typo[edit]

How exactly is one supposed to edit this page? Anyway, "Antonin Dvorák" should be replaced with "Antonín Dvořák". Toccata quarta (talk) 20:10, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Each of the timelines are embedded templates—presumably as, in some cases, they are used in more than one article. I have now edited Template:Timeline Classical Composers Romanticism Late to correct Antonín Dvořák. You might find Help:EasyTimeline syntax useful if you want to make substantive changes. (RT) (talk) 20:56, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not smart enough to figure out how to correct it myself, but John Cooper (end of Renaissance Era) links to the John Cooper disambiguation page rather than http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cooper_(composer).

Fixed (I fixed the link in the template). Thank you for pointing it out. Antandrus (talk) 17:39, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ommited composers[edit]

Is Georges Bizet not important enough to get into the list? I really don't think so. Other composers like Fučík, Porumbescu, Michna etc. are also left out. --Highschoolpuppettier (talk) 12:12, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bizet should probably be included, but I don't think the other composers are significant enough. --Toccata quarta (talk) 13:17, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done! At long last after two years, inertness has become inertia. Willem (talk) 02:12, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Really? Fučík's most famous piece, Entry of the Gladiators, has over one million views on youtube. --Highschoolpuppettier (talk) 18:44, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Orlando Gibbons is also missing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.23.135.59 (talk) 22:33, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to see John Barry in the 20th century list I think he is definitely suitable86.188.253.206 (talk) 08:16, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find Cui, Mussorgsky, or Balakirev, despite their being three out of The Five --krutulism (talk) 05:36, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find Manuel de Falla. Is there anyway to make this page searchable? To locate a composer you really need to know their date of death.

Leopold Koželuch from the late Classical period is also missing 78.30.15.184 (talk) 10:35, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I know that I could participate myself but I barely understand how I even added my message here, and suggesting yet another composer here after 4 years feels awkward, but I was looking for Enescu George Enescu and he was not there. It feels he became quite important for the 20th Century, maybe it would be good to consider his name in the list. Thank you to anyone with better wikiknowhow! 180.150.109.164 (talk) 09:10, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Prokofiev[edit]

I don't see Prokofiev — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:7:8500:982:7C4A:9236:C2C6:D9E3 (talk) 05:40, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Zappa[edit]

You have to be kidding me. Frank Zappa. Even A-ha wrote better music than him — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.60.215.192 (talk) 10:23, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

LINK PROBLEM[edit]

When you click "Johann Fuchs" in the second section of Romantic era, you will access to a German sprint canoer page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Felix Modernssohn (talk • contribs) 10:16, 25 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorted.

Overview[edit]

Somebody decided that Fazil Say was noteworthy enough to be included in the overview timeline. I disagree and took it upon myself to remove it. If someone really wants to add someone born after 1950, the best-known and most noteworthy candidates would probably be Tan Dun, Thomas Adès, or David Lang. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MargotThe (talk • contribs) 07:30, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Once again there's been a strange addition at the end of the overview list, which I decided to remove. I still say that the three composers I mentioned above are probably the most prominent representatives from their generation. — MargotThe (talk) 02:26, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It also occurred to me that the overview was becoming so detailed to the point that it wasn't much of an overview any more, so I've cleaned it up:

Deleted Ortiz, Galilei, Guerrero, Frescobaldi, Gibbons, Biber, Marais, Torelli, Jacquet de La Guerre, Tartini, Graun, Dittersdorf, Boccherini, Kozeluch, Pleyel, Woelfl, J Strauss I, Bruch, Widor, Lyadov, Shebalin, Sviridov, Henze, and Denisov. Honestly I only kept Cavalli and Froberger because of a large gap between Schütz and Lully. I would be happy to see this overview cut down even more but I decided to focus my deletions on names I thought most people would agree are quite minor figures.

I also deleted unnecessary first initials or names, while keeping those that distinguish composers with the same last name.

Changed classification of Ysaye, Delius, Cage to romantic, romantic, and avant-garde, respectively.

— MargotThe (talk) 01:48, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This list is not searchable.[edit]

I don't know if there's a way to easily make this searchable without drastically altering its structure, but ctrl+f doesn't search the composer names. Jacq 06:46, 1 June 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jajobi (talk • contribs)

Agree that making the "graphs"/lists searchable would be an improvement, if keeping (or improving, although that's subjective) the current visual layout. I don't know whether that is possible though, sorry. --Treetear (talk) 21:32, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm joining this plea, list definitely should be searchable, please. --109.81.215.30 (talk) 08:48, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Me too. You provide a list of composers, but then you can't search the list for a particular composer. So, let's start at the beginning of the list and slowly work our way down...Nei1 (talk) 16:36, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Outdated template[edit]

The template for "Lists of classical music composers by eras" that appears at the upper right of this article/list is partly out of date. Lists now exist for composers of the Modernist and Postmodern eras, and these need to be added to the template. The 20th and 21st centuries don't really belong on this list as currently titled, but can be retained along with Modernist and Postmodern if the title is modified to read "Lists of classical music composers by eras and centuries". I would update the template myself if the customary V.T.E. buttons were at the bottom, but they are missing and I know of no other way to do the edit. Maybe some editor or administrator is trying to protect the template from being updated even by registered users like myself. ~ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 09:03, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Editing failure[edit]

I attempted to add Wanhal to the Classical era template, but merely broke it and so had to revert. I don't know what went wrong; the reported error was in a section of the file which I hadn't touched. (If that edit had been successful, I was also planning to add Vieuxtemps, Balakirev, Bruch, Massenet, Moszkowski, Chaminade, Vierne, Reger, Dohnányi, and Myaskovsky to their respective periods. But now I don't dare.) JBritnell (talk) 04:03, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]