Talk:C

Microsoft Propaganda

1. If for "technical" "reasons" C# redirects here, then remove the "For the programming language, see C Sharp (programming language)". Just add the regular "For other uses, see C (disambiguation)" to be impartial to all other computer languages.

2. It's even more absurd that the C# (musical note) comes after and not before that absurd Microsoft propaganda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.18.146.2 (talk) 13:18, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

I agree completely. Especially since C# is completely irrelevant compared to C, which is pretty much THE programming language and not linked to at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.4.245.145 (talk) 21:25, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Arabic

I think the letter ج and ح have nothing to do with the letter C in the way its pronounced at all. The shape seems similar, but not the pronounciation. س is more likely the word that's appropriate (though the shapes aren't really similar). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.160.46 (talk) 22:58, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

The letters are relevant. Because, arabic jim originated from Nabatean Gamal, which in turn, came from Pheonician Gamal. It spawned Greek Gamma, which in turn spawned latin C (which, at start stood for "G" and "C/K", but then the letter G was invented and it stood for "C/K" only. Now do you see why? Oh, and you are right with ح, it stands for ħ, so it doesn't have anything to do with this. TomeHale (talk) 17:54, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Added a bullet point to "meanings for c"

the element C = Carbon can take amazing forms like coal, diamaong, graphite, peat, and C60. People who have academic interest can read up articles on bucky ball Swati Mridu 17:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Older comments

Look at what A and B now have pictures for; why doesn't C have any?? 66.32.138.124 02:46, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I almost feel stupid adding this as late as three years later, but here it goes anyway. For a long time, C and G were the same letter. So you will find the history of this glyph under.

Strange phrase removed from the main article

In Chinese it is used to represent a vocal sound for foreigners not familiar with Ping Ing. — Monedula 08:45, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• I think Ping Ing is supposed to be Pinyin, but all sounds in spoken human languages are by definition vocal so I don't know what this is trying to say. Perhaps "vocal" is supposed to mean "vowel" (cf Spanish la vocal = 'vowel'). But unfortunately I don't know too much about non-standard Chinese transliteration schemes to know for sure. — Ливай | ☺ 20:14, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Swati Mridu 05:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Plus sign

Why isn't a plus sign a legal character for a title?? 66.245.113.214 01:34, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

SC

I'm putting that in Old English sc=sh in Modern English.Cameron Nedland 00:10, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Infinty and beyond!

C^∞ is almost illegible on my screen, can anyone improve it? Rich Farmbrough 08:24 16 June 2006 (GMT).

Another "C"

I'm reading Locke's second treatise, and I'm seeing characters I cannot name.

Every time an 's' or a 'c' is followed by a 't', I see this squiggle-thing connected to the s or the c.

What character is this, and where can I find a copy of it online? I'm planning to write an essay on Locke, and I'm very particular about getting every character correct in my quotations. Thanks in advance.

69.255.77.112 23:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Could it possibly be ş or ţ? If these aren't the ones you are looking for, can you tell me where the squiggly line is on the letter so I can try to find it? Αδελφος (talk) 16:06, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

No, it's a curved stroke between the tops of the letters (st/st, ct). (See Typographic ligature#Stylistic ligatures.) I have no idea why it's there, but omitting it is no more wrong than typing ‹fi,fl› as ‹fi,fl›. —Tamfang (talk) 08:53, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

WTF just happened to this article?

Has someone linked it prominently from a help page as a joke or something? Posts from newbies asking how to do stuff keep showing up at the bottom – Gurch 13:39, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, turned out to be a mind-boggling display of incompetence over at the Reference Desk – Gurch 14:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

C in Greek

I have been reading a lot of hand written Greek text that were written before the invention of minisule (small letters). In these Greek text, the letter Sigma is clearly written as a Capital C. When I cross reference the text that I am reading to a copy in minisule i see that indeed it is a Sigma and not a Gamma. I suppose the most famous example of these text is the Codex Vaticanus. Does anyone know if there is a history between this Greek C that stood for Sigma and the Latin C that jumps sounds from almost a Sigma to Sigma to Kappa? I would love if someone could find out and enhance this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.47.40.84 (talk) 08:06, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

They're not related. —Tamfang (talk) 08:54, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

disambiguation

C-sharp seems to summarize most of the redirect/disambiguations that are within this article. Anyone game to make changes? --CyclePat (talk) 16:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

excessive codes

computer codes are good but it annoys me how the same ascii codes are repeated 4 times, it should just say them one, and then link to the pages of the encodings so that people can figure it out themselves. As i understand people link to google and the copy and paste you could include a nice little chart of the common ways of writing the same ascii numbers.Scientus (talk) 00:47, 11 December 2008 (UTC) . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.13.166.63 (talk) 14:25, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Y, too!

In English, French and Spanish, C takes the "hard" value [k] finally and before A, O, and U, and a "soft" value [s] before E and I.

It is also soft before Y... this should be noted. And also hard before a consonant sound, like in "cranberry". 192.197.178.2 (talk) 13:47, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I'll second that, and add another request -- remove (or explain) the "soccer" entry -- how does it not follow the rules it is supposed to be an exception to? One C is after an O, which supposed to make it hard (which it does), and the other C is after a consonant, which also makes it hard (which it does). Is this supposed to be an "exception" somehow to the rules in that it follows the as of yet unmentioned rule that C is hard after consonants? Christophre (talk) 16:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Ceriously? The rule concerns the letter after the C, not before it. —Tamfang (talk) 05:36, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Can we add a redirect to c++?

I noticed there's a message to redirect to C# (programming language) but not C++, even though C++ redirects to this page. can someone add C++ here too? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rlbond86 (talk • contribs) 17:33, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Why in good faith, does the see also link to c# -- C is clearly the more logical language to link to, in preference t c++ or C#! User A1 (talk) 07:04, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

i want to get some examples on CMaheshkandpal02 (talk) 09:21, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

C# is linked to because if you type it in the search box you get directed to "C". 72.152.47.197 (talk) 18:36, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Italian too!

In English, French and Spanish, C takes the "hard" value [k] finally and before A, O, and U, and a "soft" value [s] before E and I. But italian also do this... can anyone correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Krnlpk (talk • contribs) 22:28, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

portuguese, romanian dutch.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6c44:237f:accb:44d1:46d3:94b9:5f7f (talk) 15:51, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

C-sharp

Header should link to C_Sharp_(programming_language) instead of C-sharp.
FrankTM (talk) 10:17, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Please link to the correct C_Sharp_(programming_language) page. ATM its linking back to this page.--86.56.150.204 (talk) 15:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

More vandalism

"I like cheesepuffs" is the latest edit, by a near-to-ban user. Please edit it ACogloc ACogloc 18:53, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Speed of light

Speed_of_light is denoted by c. This needs to be here or we need a disambiguation page.63.237.132.170 (talk) 19:34, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Should mention to C not C#

Eg: 'For technical reasons, C# redirects here. For uses of C#, see C-sharp.' Should be; For technical reasons, C redirects here. For uses of C, see C (programming language). The link being: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_(programming_language). Headchopperz (talk) 15:36, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Since C# is mentioned in the C (disambiguation) article we could write   This article is about the letter of the alphabet. For other uses including C#, see C (disambiguation).   and not needing   For technical reasons, C# redirects here. For uses of C#, see C-sharp.   C the programming language is of course mentioned in the article C (disambiguation) so it needs no further mention. --BIL (talk) 18:09, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I do think that C should actually direct to the programming language, not the letter. Sure, it's a letter and all, but information on "C" as a programming language is more important than as a letter, although the letter itself may be more important. Google: "c" code: About 368,000,000 results (0.28 seconds). Google: "c" letter: About 255,000,000 results (0.16 seconds). Information about C is more notable, C(programming language) has strongly affected the culture of technology, while C(letter) is just an unimportant placeholder for our alphabet. The history of the single letter is trivial, there are lots of languages in the world without the letter. Yet C was utilized for many aspects of technology, operating systems, browsers, interpreted and dynamic languages etc. Almost all production level software(excluding assembly level) is written in either C or it's spin offs(C++, C#, C--, Objective-C, etc.) But I would agree the redirect notice is correct, typing C# will redirect you to this page as # is a metacharacter. 72.152.38.208 (talk) 19:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

C in Mandrin

In "Later Use", there is a list of pronunciations of C in many language. The Mandrin is in this lis:

/tʂʰ/ in Mandarin Chinese

I believe a better description should be like this:

/tʂʰ/ in [[Pinyin]] (Romanization of Mandarin Chinese)

114.25.179.99 (talk) 05:41, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Depends on what the section is called. If it's called "languages", then, no, Pinyin is not a language. — LlywelynII 09:56, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Well, "languages" don't use letters, writing systems do. So either the relevant section(s) should talk about writing systems, or we can accept it as implied that "languages" refers to writing systems used to write those languages. LjL (talk) 16:47, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

I believe the current wording to be misleading despite the link. "In romanized Mandarin Chinese" implies it's the case in all romanizations systems, not just pinyin. IMO it should be changed to "In the pinyin romanization of Mandarin Chinese" or "in official romanized Mandarin Chinese" or something like that. 5.48.234.243 (talk) 11:42, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Clarified. —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:18, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Edit request on 6 November 2012

C# redirects to this page. It would be an excellent idea to put in a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_sharp as additional disambiguation (I was looking for the article for the C# programming language, for instance) 66.207.208.98 (talk) 21:10, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

C# is not a redirect per se; this is a technical limitation of the wiki software, I believe because the "#" character ("pound" in U.S. English) tells the software that the following text is a section heading on the page identified to the left of the character. For example, C#History takes you to the "History" section of the C article. To accommodate your request, I can re-word the hatnote at the top of the page to better explain the link to the C sharp disambiguation page, but that's about all we can do. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 21:43, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

"Technical Restrictions" and C#

for people competent in Javascript, it would be easy to redirect people going for "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C#" to "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-sharp_(disambiguation)" and for people competent in PHP, it would be easy to redirect people searching for "C#" to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-sharp_(disambiguation)

... javascript proof of concept:

   if(window.location.href.substr(-2).toUpperCase()==='C#'){window.location.replace('http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-sharp_(disambiguation)');}

PHP proof of concept ( /w/index.php in this website):

   <?php
   if(isset($_GET['search']) && strtoupper($_GET['search'])==='C#'){
   header('Location: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-sharp_(disambiguation)',true);
   die();
   }

?>

Divinity76 (talk) 09:12, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Describing the sound made by c in IPA

Is this right?? I need to touch the top of my mouth with the center of my tongue, in contrast with the familiar sounds of t and k, which use the tip and back of my tongue. Thus, the sound is between t and k. Did I get it right?? Georgia guy (talk) 15:33, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

@Georgia guy: Approximately. It is a Voiceless palatal stop. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6c44:237f:accb:44d1:46d3:94b9:5f7f (talk) 16:09, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Change redirect order

Currenly the top of the page states: For technical reasons, "C#" redirects here. For the programming language, see C Sharp (programming language). For C-sharp, see C♯ (musical note).

I recommend the order of the "C# programming language" and the "C# musical note" be swapped. The musical note is much more widespread than the programming language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.97.221.98 (talk) 20:15, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Not done:. The requested order doesn't make any sense. --    L o g  X   20:19, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

I meant that it should say: For technical reasons, C# redirects here. For C-sharp, see C# (musical note). For the programming language, see C Sharp (programming language). 67.252.103.23 (talk) 22:57, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

The request does make sense, that shortcut is an absurd Microsoft Propaganda trying to lure people to their product. Not to mention that a commercial product have precedence before world-wide hundreds years old signal the C# (musical note). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.18.146.2 (talk) 13:37, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

 Done Makes sense to me, the musical note is a much more common usage than the programming language. Modest Genius ^talk 17:49, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Capacitance

Physical unit Coloumb, fundamental unit of electrical charge.

Capacitance, the ability of enclosed space to store electrical charge.

This is on the C (disambiguation) page. -- Fyrael (talk) 22:14, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2015

It is named see (pronounced /ˈsiː/) in English.[1]

Kostaslord (talk) 00:52, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. --I am k6ka ^{Talk to me!} _{See what I have done} 01:07, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

"ct" in early 1800s

 Fixed In this English language work published in 1804 the letter pair "ct" has a loop from the C to the T. Is this a typographic ligature or a letter? If a letter then what is this called and should it be in this article? It's not a Ƈ nor a stretched C. Note that the letter "s" when in the middle of word is printed in this work using "ſ" (long s). --Marc Kupper|talk 22:02, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

I finally ran across the answer to this here. It's a typographic ligature and is mentioned on that article though buried in the line "Sometimes ligatures for st (st), ſt (ſt), ch, ct, Qu and Th are used (e.g. in the typeface Linux Libertine)." It's also mentioned in articles such as TrueType as "Second was Line Layout Manager, where particular sequences of characters can be coded to flip to different designs in certain circumstances, useful for example to offer ligatures for "fi", "ffi", "ct", etc. while maintaining the backing store of characters necessary for spell-checkers and text searching." Thus, we won't be seeing Unicode code-points needed nor assigned for the various letter pairs as text display engines will see that the pair "ct" exists in a font and use that to render "ct" in the incoming stream. --Marc Kupper|talk 23:19, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Sources for future article expansion

Given the way Wiki works, there's probably text already in the article that needs to be sourced to these, but in the meantime I'll leave them here for people to go through and see if there's anything helpful:

• "C" , Encyclopædia Britannica, 9th ed., Vol. IV, New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1878, p. 616.
• "C" , Encyclopædia Britannica, 11th ed., Vol. IV, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1911, p. 912.

 — LlywelynII 09:52, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

What does this mean?

Thus, to show the etymology, English spelling has advise, devise, instead of advize, devize, which while advice, device, dice, ice, mice, twice, etc., do not reflect etymology; example has extended this to hence, pence, defence, etc., where there is no etymological reason for using ⟨c⟩. The first clause seems to contradict itself - the spelling shows the etymology, but doesn't' reflect etymology(?!). And I'm not sure what "example has extended this to" means. (Well, I think I know what it's intended to mean - that the spelling pattern has been continued to other words, but it's not a phrase that I've seen used before). Iapetus (talk) 09:02, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

"example has extended this" means that defence has a non-etymological c by analogy with words like evidence. (Latin words ending in –entia became –ence in French; but defense is from Latin defensum, and spelling it defence suggests derivation from a nonexistent Latin verb with stem defe–.) I cannot answer the other questions offhand. —Tamfang (talk) 00:53, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

@Tamfang: Well than could you clarify that in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6c44:237f:accb:44d1:46d3:94b9:5f7f (talk) 15:25, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Add sound map for C

Czech Wikipedia has this, but English Wikipedia not.

Maybe add this?

Pronunciation of written <c> in European languages

[[File:Pronunciation of C in Europe.png|thumb|Pronunciation of written <c> in European languages]]

46.130.73.0 (talk) 17:18, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

 Done —Granger (talk · contribs) 19:28, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Correction: please note that the map treats the Cyrillic letter Es (Cyrillic) as a C. The statement that it looks like a C is a description of the letter's shape, not the letter itself; the letter is in fact the Cyrillic cousin of our S, as can be concluded by its name and its alphabetization. Georgia guy (talk) 19:50, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2018

Please add

between

and

108.180.194.7 (talk) 15:11, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

 Done ToThAc (talk) 16:02, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

New infobox for the letter C

A user named Учхљёная added complete infoboxes for A and B, but it wasn't complete for the letter C. What other symbols are related to C?? I would answer as follows:

The Phoenician letter gimel gave rise to Greek gamma, Latin C, and Cyrillic Ge. The Hebrew gimel (one of the signs on a dreidel) is obviously one of C's sisters, but how about in other alphabets?? Also C has a descendant you are probably familiar with if you play the viola, the alto clef. But does the alto clef have a unicode symbol?? Georgia guy (talk) 23:02, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

There is U+1D121 'MUSICAL SYMBOL C CLEF'. The C-clef is still moveable today, unlike the G- and F-clefs (with the alto and tenor clefs still being in use), so singling out the alto clef as primary may not be warranted (the tenor clef has more instruments using it, after all). Double sharp (talk) 06:31, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

C/1980 E1

Because of technical issues, Talk:C/1980 E1 links back to Talk:C. Can someone fix this? Hdjensofjfnen (If you want to trout me, go ahead!) 23:31, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Speculation

The article at present contains some highly speculative remarks but which could lead the unwary to have unjustified expectations. For normal human eyes, a comet at magnitude eight is not visible with the naked eye, even from a remote location. Experience shows that it is unwise to speculate about a comet's perihelion magnitude on the basis of early outbursts, and I have modified the suggestion that it could become as bright as the Sun.Robin Scagell (talk) 10:39, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Most common pronunciation: /ts/?

How is the most common pronunciation /ts/ if this phoneme currently doesn't even appear in the table of possible pronunciations?

On a more general note, how is this "most common pronunciation" determined? I saw a few other interesting choices for articles on other letters. Is there any source being used? ~hb2007 09:00, 12 August 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hb2007 (talk • contribs)

Barry Powell

The section names him a "specialist in the field," with no citation. That seems a bit like POV pushing to me... can anyone else find info to back that claim up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C44:237F:ACCB:44D1:46D3:94B9:5F7F (talk) 15:19, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

INACCURACY IN THE MANDARIN SECTION!!!

in the list of different phonemes represented by ⟨c⟩, it says that in pinyin it stands for /t͡ɕʰ/, but in actuality that sound is written as ⟨Q⟩ and C is /t͡sʰ/. This page─as with all the other Letters of the Alphabet─is protected, so I can't make the edit, but maybe an admin or more experienced user could? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6c44:237f:accb:44d1:46d3:94b9:5f7f (talk) 15:44, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Sch

I think that first of all, "sch" should be WikiLinked to the informative article on this multigraph, and secondly that the Italian pronunciation of it as /sk/ before Front vowels as opposed to /ʃ/ needs to be mentioned, and perhaps even the Dutch language realization of it as not a trigraph but a sequence of ⟨s⟩ and the digraph ⟨ch⟩, which (at least normally) represents x, thus meaning sch=Dutch pronunciation: [/sx/]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6c44:237f:accb:44d1:46d3:94b9:5f7f (talk) 16:06, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2020

Mandarin Pinyin utilizes <c> for /tsʰ/, not /tɕʰ/. Omoutuazn (talk) 14:09, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 11:44, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Is Arabic Ǧīm Really An Ancestor Of Latin's C/G?

Under the History panel, on the right, it says that Greek Gamma derives directly from Arabic Ǧīm (and thus Latin C/G would also derive from it). However, it seems to me that Greek Gamma is a sister of Arabic Ǧīm; I mean, isn't Greek Gamma derived directly from Phoenician Gaml?. In fact, according to "Nabataean Alphabet" articlereally , Arabic alphabet developed around 4th century BCE, while according to "History of the Greek alphabet", the Greek adopted the Phoenician alphabet around the 8th century BCE.

Therefore, it seems unlikely to me that Greek Gamma derived from Arabic Ǧīm. Yea, I know using Wikipedia articles as reference for other Wikipedia articles is bad, but these references are for discussion purposes only. I'm sure we can get actual references if we end up needing them. I am not sure about my position though, it is just really weird that this is not mentioned in the whole article, except for the History panel, besides everything I said before, so I am opening this discussion.

Another issue is that Latin "G" Wikipedia article does not list Arabic Ǧīm as its ancestor, but Latin G derives from Latin C, and so, if Ǧīm really were an ancestor of C, we should list it as an ancestor of G as well. It seems to me, however, that reality is the other way around: we should remove Ǧīm from C's ancestorship, because it does not seem to be C/G ancestor at all, only a sister sign. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brunoczim (talk • contribs) 18:37, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

palatalization in CE

The following paragraph on the palatalization of C in CE [The soft c may represent the [ʃ] sound in the digraph ci when this precedes a vowel, as in the words 'delicious', etc., and also in the word "ocean" and its derivatives.] should be edited to include [and in a few other words, such as crustecean, curvaceous, sebaceous, liquorice]. Katarina Harlan (talk) 19:37, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Feel free to add them. Erinius (talk) 11:41, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

no source for claim in body of "later use"

" The Old English Latin-based writing system was learned from the Celts, apparently of Ireland;" should have a source attached? 2.28.49.129 (talk) 16:39, 28 August 2023 (UTC)