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Townships and Towns[edit]

Why are the Monroe County West End towns and townships omitted? They are in the Poconos too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShelbyNeon (talk • contribs) 13:47, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

casinos[edit]

could anyone with the proper information and sources put up something about the upcoming casinos and the laws regarding them (slots only? table games? how many casinos?). thanks!

start[edit]

Just put something up to start the article -- I'm realizing now that there is a pretty standard format to the geography articles. I'm not up to doing that yet, so here's an open invitation to wikify!

Bantman 19:25, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Correction (take it from someone who hikes county highpoints): the highest Pocono peak is not Ararat (thank God ... it is, or at least used to be, an unforgiving bushwhack to a viewless summit), it's Elk Hill just across the Susquehanna county line.

Daniel Case 01:07 EST, 21 Jan 2005

some correction required:

I've removed mention of "commercialized" Dingman's Falls as opposed to the "free admission" state park, since I didn't see anyone asking me for money when I photoed Dingman's Falls for the Delaware Water Gap National Recreation Area entry. I think the original poster may have been thinking of Bushkill Falls, which is owned by a resort of that name, but until someone takes up the arduous task of trying to list every resort in the Poconos I don't think I should mention that on its own. Mike Serfas 23:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Map added[edit]

I added a regional map showing the Poconos in relation to the northeast Appalachians; the same map added to Catskill Mountains page. It could be improved, hopefully it is useful. Pfly 00:09, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Advertising and name dropping had to be deleted. The official tourism site for the region is: [1]

Great Wolf Lodge[edit]

Hi.

I was just wondering if there is anyone out there who is as upset as I am. About Great Wolf Lodge. And the trees that once were over by the truck Stop. And our school districts. And our property taxes. And our wild life. And our fields, fast becoming houses on quarter acre lots.

If so, please contact me so I don't feel like I am the only person in the Poconos who has taken notice and is subsequently pissed off about it. But pissed in the ready to do something about it kind of thing. But it's all about numbers...

julia.angelina@gmail.com

Juls914 00:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Culture[edit]

The culture section is poorly written and the data presented is spurious, suggest deletion (or a rewrite if someone more knowledgeable is able) Aestiva 03:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that the "culture" sections points to an interesting demographic phenomenon, and I fail to see what makes it poorly written. It could use some citations though. 209.117.86.23 20:33, 6 June 2007 (UTC)nepahenry[reply]

I just stumbled across this page, and would have to agree. The so called "Culture" section could use some work. I don't believe a "Culture" section on Wikipedia generally means personal opinions. Clearly the writer has some sort of agenda. I'm from way across the country, and am just making a personal observation. Iamopie 04:16, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This "culture" section, as it is, is nothing more than a poorly guised hostile complaint about the lower classes of metropolitan new york. At no point does it even bother to address the cultural makeup of the region itself. I'm erasing it in its entirety. 38.102.20.230 05:29, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. To me it doesn't say much about the culture of the Poconos. It's certainly not the information I'd be looking for when coming to this article. Please fix this section, or it will be deleted. Tsk070 (talk) 20:42, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The section has been deleted after a two-week time frame was given to fix it. Tsk070 (talk) 22:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Geography[edit]

The geography section should say something about the Pocono Plateau. Pocono Plateau

Range Type	Highland or plateau
Highest Point	Moosic Mountains High Point (2323 ft/708 m)
Countries	United States
States/Provinces	Pennsylvania
Area	1,966 sq mi / 5,093 sq km Area may include lowland areas
Extent	52 mi / 83 km North-South 69 mi / 111 km East-West
Center Lat/Long	41° 11' N; 75° 21' W
Map Link	Microsoft Local.Live Map
Search Engines - search the web for "Pocono Plateau": Plateau%22 Microsoft Live Search Plateau%22 Google Search Plateau%22 Yahoo Search

Other Ranges: To go to pages for other ranges click on range names in the hierarchy snapshot below, which show the parent, siblings, and children of the Pocono Plateau.

Allegheny Plateau	Level 4 (Parent)
Northern Allegheny Plateau	Level 5 (Sibling)
Finger Lakes	Level 5 (Sibling)
Northeastern Pennsylvania	Level 5 (Sibling)
Pocono Plateau	Level 5
Southern Allegheny Plateau	Level 5 (Sibling)

Major Peaks of the Pocono Plateau

Ten Highest Peaks
Rank	Peak Name	ft	m	Range6
1.	Moosic Mountains High Point	2323	708
2.	Kistler Ledge	2215	675
3.	Pimple Hill	2212	674
4.	Lake Mountain	2180+	664+
5.	Camelback Mountain	2133	650
6.	Pike County High Point	2115	645
7.	Split Rock	2060+	628+
8.	High Knob	2040+	622+
9.	Montage Mountain	2000+	610+
10.	Low Knob	1996	608
Sub-peaks are excluded from this list. List may not be complete, since only summits in the PBC Database are included.

Taken from: http://www.peakbagger.com/range.aspx?rid=16203

I think the Pocono Plateau needs it's own page, as it is a geographic feature that should not be confused with "the Poconos". The two are not co-terminus, and Pocono Plateau probobly shouldnt redirect here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.172.97 (talk) 23:49, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Geology, Geomorphology, Geohydrology, and Surface Water Hydrology of the Pocono Creek Basin

The Pocono Creek basin is encompassed by two physiographic provinces, the Appalachian Plateau in the northern part of the watershed and the Valley and Ridge in the southern part. The Pocono Escarpment subdivides the Appalachian Plateau province into the Pocono Plateau section in the northwest and the Glaciated Low Plateau section to the southeast. The Appalachian Plateau province is categorized by gently folded rocks of Devonian age, and more than 75% of the watershed lies within its boundaries. The Appalachian Mountain section of the Valley and Ridge province occupies the remainder of the watershed and is characterized by more intensely deformed sedimentary rocks also of Devonian age.

Taken from: http://www.state.nj.us/drbc/pocono_geology.PDF --evrik ^(talk) 14:58, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Only Blue Mountain is part of the Valley and Ridge province. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ShelbyNeon (talk • contribs) 13:35, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chronic Commercial & Off Topic Links[edit]

This is not the first time this article had to be cleaned of commercial & off topic links. The most glaring examples are the links to Caesars Pocono Resort and to Judaism in the Poconos. There were links to buy a book, search and book a hotel, and general local advertising. These things don't belong in the article. Please check the Wikipedia rules on this matter before inserting these types of links. 71.59.102.86 09:51, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How come the Pocono Record commercial link is allowed to stand, but the Blue Mountain Moments link is constantly deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ShelbyNeon (talk • contribs) 13:33, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Two more links that need addressing[edit]

Whoever has been editing this page is finally helping (Thank you !)

The references at the bottom of the page need a little cleaning 1) Tanglwood - Website (possibly the ski area - No answer at their phone) is gone and currently showing a spammy page based in Brazil. 2) Poconovacations.com is a commercial entity (understatement)

Kudos to all that are taking the time to clean up what was really a mess here! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.128.21 (talk) 15:12, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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A Basic Inconsistency[edit]

This article needs to resolve a basic inconsistency to be more credible.

On the one hand, the map shows the Pocono plateau, which is composed of parts of 6 counties: Monroe, Pike, Wayne, Lackawanna, Luzerne, and Carbon. There is no doubt that this is the Pocono Mountains and it is precise. It includes what everyone would agree about the Poconos, including the high peaks. It includes the western third of Monroe, the southwestern fifth of Pike, small southern pieces of Wayne and Lackawanna, an eastern slice of Luzerne, and a northeastern slice of Carbon. Yet the article ignores the plateau and these county segments.

On the other hand, the narrative relies on personal opinion and the Pocono Mountain commercial website, which is a promotional organization patronized by 4 counties in their entirety: Monroe, Pike, Wayne, and Carbon, parts of which no one would agree are in the Poconos. For example, the northern boundary of Wayne County on the Delaware River borders NY State. That is not the Poconos. For another example, Shroudsburg and East Shroudsburg are in the Delaware Valley at 500 ft. elevation, not in any mountains. They are not the Poconos.

Books and articles on the Poconos are not much help because they are mostly promotional for commercial interests.

Mikalac53 (talk) 20:28, 18 April 2017 (UTC) Norm[reply]