Talk:Cardiff

Transfer of Rumney from Monmouthshire

The Monmouthshire (historic) article says:

• The last major boundary change to affect the administrative county was in 1938 when the Monmouthshire parish of Rumney was incorporated into the city and county borough of Cardiff. However, the geographical Monmouthshire/Glamorgan and England/Wales border remained the Rhymney River.

...but it does not cite a source. Can we find one? The boundary change is supported by old maps that show the county boundary along the River Rumney. I am unclear what is meant by "the geographical border"; it appears to say that after 1938 Rumney was in Cardiff but was in England. Verbcatcher (talk) 08:00, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

I've tracked that text back to this edit of 2006. If @Lozleader: is still around, they may be able to give a source. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:40, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Hmmm. I see that he/she contributed as "Lozleader" only between 2011 and 2014, so unless "they" came back with a new wiki identity, you shouldn;t hold your breath for that one. However, we do have plenty of other digilent and well informed contributors who clearly know those parts region. And ... please? Charles01 (talk) 09:01, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Lozleader is still editing occasionally, most recently in February. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:09, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes he/she is 19:18, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

The Rumney article says 'On 1 April 1938 the Cardiff Extension Act 1937 incorporated it into the county borough of Cardiff, although it remained part of Monmouthshire, and England. It cites a Hansard report and a 1952 map. It seems clear that the change was made in the Cardiff Extension Act 1937, is this available online? Whether Rumney was in England relates to the 'was Monmouthshire in England' question. Verbcatcher (talk) 09:45, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

The debate on the Bill is here, but I can't find the text of the Act itself. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:05, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi. I have a copy of the Cardiff Extension Act 1937. Section 62 reads as follows:

• Nothing in this act shall alter the boundary between the county of Glamorgan and the county of Monmouth and the added area shall continue to form part of the county of Monmouth.

No mention of England or Wales. Lozleader (talk) 15:27, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

2021 Cardiff Population

Links: https://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/cardiff-population, https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/22843/cardiff/population, Population OF The City and County of Cardiff is about 481,000 as of 2021. 2A02:C7F:AE93:1200:EC3A:ADCE:8242:D7B4 (talk) 12:28, 18 October 2021 (UTC) J Robert Bailey

It is unclear how the area used for this estimates related to areas used in Welsh and UK government figures, which are presumably based on census areas. We should wait for the results of the 2021 census, which will presumably be released in the next few months. Verbcatcher (talk) 06:51, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Infobox image

The reason why I like the "new" format is for a number of reasons.

1. One single "montage" does not provide the full licensing details from Wikimedia Commons. Users just need to click on the individual image to find these details. See numerous examples of this on New York City, Birmingham, Paris, Berlin, Shanghai, Delhi, Los Angeles..... etc. etc.

2. Cardiff is more than just bricks and mortar. Cardiff is known for Brains and Clark's Pies amongst other things, as much as it is Cardiff Castle etc. My view, is that they should be in the article. What do other Wikipedians think? SethWhales ^talk 10:27, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

I'll accept a gallery is preferred over a montage single image per WP:MONTAGE. In terms of Brains and Clark's Pies, I don't think I've seen food and drink in an infobox before (happy to be proven otherwise, but minimally food in city infoboxes are rare). Brains and Clark's Pies aren't even mentioned in the article (Brains is merely listed among companies), so inclusion of the images does not relate to the article and a source would be needed for their notability to the city overall.

In terms of the other images I'd prefer these images instead those chosen. Although I'll accept this is my personal preference.

Alternate Principality (Millennium) Stadium images, I'd prefer (1-5 left to right):

Alternate Skyline images, I'd prefer, the one proposed is really blurry.

Would prefer the stadium picture is moved around and a cityscape image is placed first, as the stadium is most likely going to be the image used in the page preview on desktop (It was when it was first changed, which I why I quickly noticed the images were changed), although this is a personal preference. Would prefer like New York City, Paris and Berlin a larger skyline type image is first. The stadium is the national Wales stadium and are a significantly defining part of Cardiff, so I'll understand if it remains first but I believe Cardiff is much more than the stadium and would prefer a cityscape image first.

Not sure about Spiller's records, it is mentioned in the article as the oldest record shop so relevant to the article, so would tolerate its inclusion, although for the infobox image not sure it is that important, I would prefer many of Cardiff's shopping arcades instead as the article states Cardiff is the "City of Arcades" although there is a separate article on that for such images.

The Senedd, Castle and Wales Millennium Centre are great images. DankJae 16:09, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

I would have thought Cardiff Docks is a major factor in the history and success of Cardiff, if anyone was summarising the city. Far more so than Brains Beers or Clark's Pies. Just saying :) Sionk (talk) 11:54, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm not a fan of large collages, so I'd like to propose the following:

• A skyline image
• The castle
• The bay, showing the Senedd and Millennium centre
• The stadium

A skyline image is typical for city articles, and the other three are major landmarks and also show that Cardiff is the home of the Welsh government. Keep it simple. A.D.Hope (talk) 10:10, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

@A.D.Hope, I don't mind large-ish collages, which are more common on city articles. (WP:UKCITIES max 6-8), and most of the most known cities have larger collages, so not sure why we have to limit Cardiff, but still open to four.

The selection seems good, although the docks had also been proposed. Great skyline image, although saddened with the Centre from its side in the bay, but a willing compromise. Would prefer the castle grounds over the keep, and prefer the pre-existing keep image, over proposed, although no biggie. But the colouring of the stadium and bay, seem off for me? The stadium is too dark, and prefer this lighter one, while the bay seems too artifically bright?

Plus it would need to be moved around to fit the page preview criteria, and I'm not sure if Cardiff can be summed up with a stadium as page preview. But this is just my opinion. Pinging those who participated prior, @Seth Whales @Sionk DankJae 20:30, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Large collages are tricky. I know the guideline says 6–8 images is fine, but personally I find that number tends to look crowded and indistinct unless great care is taken to accomodate the small image size.

Cardiff does seem to have an unusually low number of 'good' images available. The bay one, for instance, is definitely overexposed but is by far the best framed of the ones I could find. With the castle, the keep is probably the most recognisable part and also lends itself to a portrait image, which is handy in terms of composition. A.D.Hope (talk) 21:17, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Should infobox GDP be removed?

The GDP values currently in the infobox are from 2012 and the archived source attached no longer plots/shows the values correctly. They are also being displayed as USD($) rather than GDP(£) which I would disagree with. – Mesidast (talk) 11:45, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

4th largest city in the UK?

The article states "the city is fourth-largest in the United Kingdom". By the article linked in this sentence, Cardiff is the 10th largest with the top 4 slots being Birmingham, Leeds, Glasgow and Sheffield. Am I missing something or is this just a mistake? ThomasRintoul (talk) 15:18, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

It was changed by an IP on the 19th. I've reverted it back to its previous state, which has it as the eleventh-largest. Inops (talk) 10:12, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Cool 148.74.78.43 (talk) 23:43, 24 December 2023 (UTC)