User talk:Keron Cyst

Hah!

Never thought I'd see you here. - KingRaptor 01:06, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for your great copyedit on Music and mathematics! Matthias Röder 07:36, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

your recent edit here

All non free images (which the image linked above is) need a rationale. I suggest you read WP:RAT.--Rockfang (talk) 22:20, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

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But what else is there to add? I mean, the image is being used in the article Ground Control. It's a non-free game screenshot, as its licensing shows. I stated a description of the image (well, until it was reverted, anyways), which contained a link to said article. Is there a free content template, then? Are you asking me to use the template in the middle of that page you linked? I honestly can't see what you're proposing, because from what I can tell, what I had put covered the fair use rationale requirement. Keron Cyst (talk) 16:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok. Let's look at the image before I arrived at it. There is a line labeled "To the uploader". It tells you to add a rationale and gives you a link where you can find out more info. On that page (near the top) it states you need:

1. An appropriate copyright tag (which is already there)
2. A detailed fair use rationale. A separate rationale must be provided each time the image is used in an article. The name of the article the image is used in must be included in the rationale.

If you check out the "Necessary components" section of that page (link here), it shows what exactly is needed:

• What proportion of the copyrighted work is used and to what degree does it compete with the copyright holder's usage? For example, if the image is a photograph or logo, the entire work is likely being used. A screenshot that reveals the most important discovery of a documentary or the ending of a movie, for example, though a very small portion of the work, may disproportionately compete with the copyright holder's use. In the case of a music sample, the length should be no longer than 10 percent of the song's original length or 30 seconds, whichever is shorter.
• If applicable, has the resolution been reduced from the original? In the case of music samples, has the quality been reduced from the original?
• What purpose does the image serve in the article? If applicable:
  • Is the image a logo, photograph, or box art for the main subject of the article?
  • Is the image being used as the primary means of visual identification of the subject or topic? (e.g., a corporate logo or the box art of a DVD)
  • Does it illustrate the topic of the article? (e.g., a screen shot from a movie)
  • Is it used for commentary on a particular topic? How?
• To what degree is the image replaceable by a free content image?
  • If the image is a screenshot of a movie that for an article about the movie, or a corporate logo, there is obviously no such thing as a "free" version of it - all of the resources in the world could not produce one. If, on the other hand, the image is a photograph, the image is more easily replaced, even if Wikipedians may lack the resources to create a replacement.
• Any other information necessary to assist others in determining whether the use of this image qualifies for fair use.

None of those items were on the page. There are 2 ways to add this required info to an image's page. By using a template, or by not using one.--Rockfang (talk) 01:54, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

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I flat-out disagree.

• A separate rationale must be provided each time the image is used in an article. The name of the article the image is used in must be included in the rationale.

The image was used once, and the name of the article was in the rationale—we agree with that.

• What purpose does the image serve in the article?

You have got to be kidding me! What is the purpose of all images throughout Wikipedia? So I have to put "The purpose of this image is to graphically present content from or an example" (the example being a screenshot from a program—in this case, the game) "from the article to other users" for all of my images? I see no other images throughout the entire website with such an obvious explanation, and I don't understand why you nitpick at mine specifically.

• • Does it illustrate the topic of the article? (e.g., a screen shot from a movie)

Yes, it did. Everyone could understand clearly that it was a screenshot from a computer game. The description it bore showed this as well (what else can the phrase "... from Ground Control" mean?).

• • Is it used for commentary on a particular topic? How?

Yes, it exampled a controllable unit in the game, specifically the Artillery Terradyne, which is a famous and useful unit in Ground Control. And I quite specifically described that the graphic depicted the Artillery Terradyne launching a barrage.

• To what degree is the image replaceable by a free content image?

It's ironic how the guidelines demand me of an answer for this while that very free-content article is itself riddled is with no-original-research templates and missing citations. But it's a screenshot anyways so I guess I'm guilty of not putting "It's a screenshot, so it's virtually impossible to be replaced." Valid point!

You'll probably want to look through the rest of my images and delete them all, too, since I guess I pretty much did the same for them. You can start in the Gunroar article; all of those images were taken by me. And find all the blocks of descriptions too. Make sure you check out the rest of the ABA Games articles, too, and rid them of their "original research," even when they're all backed by each of their official linked websites. Be sure to make them no less graphically barren than they were before I came along. You'll probably want to put in stub templates back in place that I correspondingly removed as I stepped in, in that case.

(I'd probably not be so bitter if the deletion date wasn't yesterday. Now it's irreversible and I never kept a copy of the orig. file. I'm not going to try to reupload again since my attempts to help this otherwise great encyclopedia will apparently be hypocritically rejected. I've NEVER had a problem with ANY of my images until now.) Keron Cyst (talk) 21:50, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

If you would like the WP:NFCC and WP:RAT pages to change, you could possibly suggest changes on their talk page.--Rockfang (talk) 03:41, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

• Hm... I'll consider it. Thanks for the idea. Keron Cyst (talk) 22:31, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

American spelling

Hello. I noticed two articles in which you changed "honor" to "honour" and one in which you changed "programmes" to "programs". Please note this passage from Wikipedia:Manual of Style:

for example, it is unacceptable to change from British to American spelling unless the article concerns an American topic.

If you look at the style manuals I think you'll find this gone into at greater length, and probably some relevant discussions on the talk pages. Michael Hardy (talk) 02:33, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

... more specificallly: see the section called National varieties of English in Wikipedia:Manual of Style, and the manual called Wikipedia:Manual of Style (spelling). Michael Hardy (talk) 02:37, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

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