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24.247.255.138 23:36, 17 August 2006 (UTC) They're not ska. Period.[reply]

"Franco Un-American" - I think NOFX probably did make the video independently, because the only place you could see it was on the War on Errorism CD. However, Scuzz, the British rock channel managed to get hold of the video and they started playing it. I doubt NOFX would make videos to release to mainstream channels. As far as I know, they've only made videos to Bob, stickin in my eye and franco-unamerican. I only saw the first two on p-rock tv when it was still around.

  • There is definitely also a video for "Leave It Alone". MTV Europe / UK used to play it quite a lot, and I was under the impression that this was one of the motivations for the band to quit making music videos.

Gram 16:34, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • There's also videos for S/M Airlines and Shut Up Already on the DVD 10 Years of Fucking Up, but not sure if it's also played online or on TV.
  • Im pretty sure that '180 Degrees' has a video as well. Im sure i saw it on RAGE in Australia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.104.1.23 (talk) 07:29, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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7" of the month club --Zegoma beach 13:32, 29 July 2005 (UTC) The 7" of the month club albums sould be added to the albums section. 7" of the month club[reply]


"Their version of the name has been attributed to the phrase "No Fucking Straight Edge" but the band insists that there is no actual meaning. Contents " This is not NPOV language, makes it out that the band is covering up an actual meaning...Wamatt 11:10, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

  • -It probably wasn't the original meaning, but NOFX might've claimed "No Fucking Straight (X) Edge" as the meaning of the band name, and then took it back. You know, they're a bunch of funny self distanced dudes.
    Speaking of "straight edge", read the article on Negative FX.///soja


I saw a video for "Franco Unamerican" from "The War On Errorism"...maybe that was independently made? Or is NOFX making music videos (contrary to the article)? --cprompt 04:20, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I suppose technically the "Franco Un-American" video (which appears on the enhanced CD The War On Errorism) counts as a NOFX video. It is completely animated and most likely independently produced, but would have been approved by the band. --Brian Rogers 9/18/2004

I made links to "year in music" instead of just linking the year, and then later linking "see year in music". It seems more concise to me, and it makes sense to link to the "in music" article, after all, that's what we're talking about. --cprompt 03:15, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I added "vox" after Eric Melvin's name, too, as he also contributes vocals in many songs (eg. I Gotta Pee, Hardcore 84). --Quirk 22:43, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)

White Trash, Two Heebs and a Bean was originally to be called White Trash, Two Kikes and a Spic, but Fat Mike's mother disapproved. (i heard it was melvins grandmother)

In 2004 the members of NOFX started giving interviews to express their displeasure with George W. Bush and to urge people not to vote for him. Elaine M. Brady Oct. 21, 2004

Hmm[edit]

Instead of downloading the mp3s and stealing..buy a cd. You'll find out that Franco Unamerican was on their cd as a video they put together.

you may wish to read the official Q&A section on their website. Fat Mike explicitly says he doesnt care if people download his songs, or anyone elses, although he cautions against doing it for local bands just because they have such small distrubution channels they wouldnt be able to make money. AKMask 10:12, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction[edit]

The introduction doesn't really read properly :

'NOFX is a California, United States punk band.'

Sure it should say something like:

'NOFX is a Californian punk band'

Do people really need to be told California is in the States? Yes there are other Californias but most are also in the States. Jack 16:40, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"Their emergence on the political scene has not faded after the election." Should this line be there without any evidence one way or the other?

"Their emergence on the political scene has not faded after the election." This line should be removed as they were always political critics. -slippin

Shouldn't the first line read "NOFX are a Californian punk band"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.192.38.44 (talk) 20:36, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Message-boarding[edit]

Wikipedia is not a series of message boards. The text

NOFX enjoys causing controversy in order to popularise their band: inspired by the lack of support MTV shows them, they openly criticised the station (screaming "Fuck MTV!") after the 1996 Bizarre Festival in Cologne, Germany.

Stub?[edit]

Umm...how does this still qualify as a stub? It seems to be pretty well filled out to me. Spartacusprime 07:14, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

um, they certainly derived NOFX from Negative FX[edit]

read the q&a at nofx.org, if you look at any of their early album covers you will see that they wrote NOFX as No FX or No-FX. this supports the fact they took the name from negative fx. if they HAD intended it to mean 'no fucking sXe' then it would not have been written as it was. in any case, mike has commented on this so it should be a moot point. i'm going to go ahead and change the article to reflect this. please do your homework, and don't change it back.

here's the quote, copied from the link above: 

#2 Most asked Question  	January 5 , 2000

What does NOFX stand for?

NOFX doesn't stand for shit. We just kinda ripped off the name from an old Boston band Negative FX. OK. . .Fat Mike.

Someone changed the information about how NOFX got the name, and that it stands for "No Fucking Straight "sXe" Edgers". Which it doesn't. Changing that unless it's proven correct, officially.

re: music videos[edit]

ok in response to the music video talk near the top of this discussion, let me say this. nofx has been asked many times by MTV to let them air their videos. fat mike has repeatedly refused. they even went so far as to threaten mike and say "if you don't give us a video, we won't air No Use for a Name anymore." fat mike still refused. (NUFAN are on mike's label)

people from south america have told me that they occasionally see nofx videos on MTV south america, but they don't have NOFX's permission, they just do it anyways.

videos nofx has produced include:

  • Leave It Alone
  • S&M Airlines the guy who directed 'THE RING' directed this video.
  • Bob
  • Franco Un-american (cartoon)
  • Stickin' In My Eye
  • I Wanna Be an Alcoholic self produced video shot on hi-8 video, 30 second song

i'm not sure if that list is exhaustive.

i've heard of nofx being played on Much Music as well, though I've never actually seen it myself. (don't watch much music)

Yah, I've seen Stickin' In My Eye and Franco Un-American on The Punk Show. Woooh, there's a lot of capitols in that sentence. So yes, they do play some videos on Much Music, but not on the main shows like Much On Demand (or so I know)

There's also a video for Hobophobic (Scared of Bums) but I'm not sure if it's official or not. It should be pretty easy to find on Limewire, etc.


april 21st 2007

i live in canada and our music station (MuchMusic) has aired NOFX videos. they even made a big deal when they first aired "franco un-american". Fat mike has no beef with muchmusic as he even hosted a 30 minute punk show with eric melvin once. it was sometime last year. they picked 30 minutes of videos and talked about each one. JohnEcakes

The ABC in Australia air NOFX videos on Rage 49.195.96.207 (talk) 15:46, 19 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Soundtrack for The Chase (1994 movie)[edit]

  • #12 "Please Play This Song on the Radio", #13 "Warm". -- Sy / (talk) 07:15, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

names in the infobox[edit]

we should use either all of their real names, or all of their common nicknames in the info box for consistency. the average nofx fan won't know that Aaron Abeyta is El Hefe, but the average fan may not even know their names to begin with so I think it shouldn't matter. Right now the article for El Hefe is titled Aaron Abeyta, but the article for Fat Mike is Fat Mike, and not Michael Burkett as it probably should be.

I'd like to propose that we use the following names in the infobox and for the band member's individual pages:

  • Michael Burkett
  • Aaron Abeyta
  • Eric Melvin
  • Erik Sandin


I think we should have redirects from the following names for each band member as well, that point to their respective articles:

  • Fat Mike
  • El Hefe
  • Melvin
  • Smelly


one of the reason's I think we should use their real names is because they all have multiple nicknames. thoughts?

--Nofxjunkee 06:58, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think we need to use a combination. Not many people know the real name of Fat Mike or Hefe, but everyone knows Eric Melvin and Erik Sandin. I think it's more a matter of what's most recognizable, not uniformity. Kane5187 19:18, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Album chronolgy[edit]

I took The Decline out of the album chronolgy (cos it's not an album), but then found that some EPs are included in the chronology (e.g. Longest Line), and others are not (e.g. Liza & Louise).

The Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums guideline says:

The chronology section should link to the previous album on the left and the next album on the right. (Only studio albums, usually excluding lives, compilations, singles and EPs.)

  • For first albums the left box (the "Last album=" field) should be left blank.
  • For latest albums, the right box (the "Next album=" field) should be left blank, or with a " . . . ".
  • For final albums, the right box (the "Next album=" field) should be left blank.

There are plenty of EP, live album & comp album articles on Wikipedia that don't follow this, so I guess we need a consensus. Do we include EPs in the album chronology, do we give them their own chronology (as I started doing with The Decline) or do we follow the guideline above? If we include them in a single line chronology, they all need to be in there (even those without articles). Gram 17:07, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I'd say we separate them. nofx has a lot of records. --Nofxjunkee 19:34, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I went ahead and created a separate line of chronology for the EPs. Kane5187 19:19, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Press description[edit]

Whether "...in rock and roll." or "...in punk rock.", this needs a definite source:

sometimes referred to in the underground music press as "the funniest band in punk rock."

mat_x 18:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As does this, curiously familiar, statement:

They have been also called, by many critics, one of the funniest bands ever, since a great deal of their songs has humorus material either by content, or at least by title.

mat_x 09:07, 11 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Biased statement?[edit]

"(leaning to the left, like the majority of politically concerned musicians)"

The first part goes without saying, but I think that maybe the second half should be left out? That doesn't really pertain to NOFX, and is kind of hard to back up... Any thoughts?

How does the first part go without saying? NOFX are libertarians by any modern American definition. NOFX's economic politics are generally slightly right of center (see: "Where's my slice" on the album Ribbed). They are strongly libertarian on non-economic issues. Calling them "leftists" seems incorrect. Maybe "anti-Republican" would be more accurate?71.10.74.4 (talk) 23:39, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DumberDrummer 07:43, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds unnecessary and unverifiable, if probably true. Still, there are plenty of right-wing musicians and no-one's counting them all. I'd say remove it. --Switch 10:49, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Parts of this article sound a bit sycophantic. A rallying point for liberals? There were numerous movements surrounding the election, album notwithstanding.


CavalierEternal 27 March 2006

While NOFX definitely has supported the Democrats the past couple elections and are clearly left of center sociallya, they (specifically Fat Mike - who writes almost all their lyrics), are overall a fairly libertarian (little "l") group. Many would refer to them as socialist-libertarians (I myself identify with that ideology, and I have NOFX and my parents to thank for it. Having an open mind takes a lot of work. Thanks for the lessons Fatty. :) Brooks bonkoksi (talk) 15:38, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Plagerism?[edit]

However, Fat Mike once did an interview for Guitar World in 2003 giving his opinion on the pop punk bands rising at that time I believe that sentence was lifted from [1]. --notyouravgjoe 10:17, 25MAR06 (UTC)

link no longer working... hope this was resolved!Brooks bonkoksi (talk) 15:39, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fontsize?[edit]

Any reason why the fontsize for this article appears to be much smaller than all the others? Or is that just my computer?

American vs. British English[edit]

(WP:Manual_of_Style#National_varieties_of_English) I don't care about the differences as long as the spelling is consistent throughout. Does this article constitute subject matter specific to the US? I'm not sure. I merely object to changes being made by bigots who believe their way is the right way (and User:70.246.99.170's edit summary certainly suggests bigotry) when an article may not have been wrong to start with. What does anybody else think? If this kind of article is considered region-specific for the intents of spelling, then fair enough, let's use US. mat_x 20:18, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

According to MOS if the subject is American, then the spelling should be American. I'd use the example of writing an article about JRR Tolkien's Lord of the Rings with British spelling.--Bobblehead 21:06, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK, is that how we should interpret the guideline? I found the instruction a bit vague myself. It doesn't quite seem to go as far as to say simply 'if the subject is from X, use spelling variant X'. mat_x 08:10, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't say it in that many words, but it provides a list of examples and the one that is most appropriate in this case is that British English should be used in an article covering JRR Tolkien's Lord of the Rings. LotR is popular around the globe, but its origins in the UK equate to British English being used.--Bobblehead 21:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the guideline, however, I'd add that it is not natural to spell things in a dialect that is not your own. If I am writing an article on an American subject, I do not consciously think "right, best remember to spell things the US way", I just write it how I write. I have no issue with an American user changing an article about an American band to American spelling, and the justification he/she should use is the MOS. But it's totally immature for someone to make changes cos they consider a perfectly valid spelling (the original, non-bastardised spelling, if you like) as "faggy"... Gram 15:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
So, Gram, are you the same user as mat_x? Heh, if so, might want to identify one as a sockpuppet in order to stop people from wondering why Gram just editted a comment by mat_x. :) But anywho, nothing wrong with forgetting to spell in the "proper" dialect. You should make an effort, but if you make a mistake, don't worry about it, other editors can correct it. As for the edit summary left by the other user.. Take it up with the anon and referring to the American spelling as bastardized isn't much better. :) It's been over 200 years since the US has been a British colony, linguistic drift happens. If you want to be touchy about the origins of a certain spelling, then perhaps we should use the german spelling for color since english's origins are germanic. --Bobblehead 16:22, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, looks like I overwrote Mat's comment. Apologies, it was entirely accidental.
As for "bastardised" - it was just a sarcastic comment (yeah, I know, lowest form of wit) - I meant that if one user's justification is as immature as calling English spellings "faggy", then I could be just as immature and say, "it's our language - you're the one(s) spelling it wrongly". Gram 10:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A Better Introduction[edit]

I believe this introduction does not do justice with the band. First of all, NOFX has been known to address serious issues, they're definitely not just a "comedic" band. Second of all, it is not consistent with other band articles in Wikipedia. It is my intention to change the introduction as soon as possible. Ido50 17:46, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I have changed the introduction. I feel it is an appropriate and informative introduction, but will be happy to receive comments about it. Ido50 18:08, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I see it has been changed back. I don't understand why. I am asking for the editors opinion of the matter. My introduction was as follows:

NOFX is a punk rock band from Los Angeles, California, USA, formed in 1983, by singer/bassist "Fat Mike" (Real name Mike Burkett), drummer Erik Sandin and guitarist Eric Melvin. Since 1991 and after several line-up changes, El Hefe (Real name Aaron Abeyta) plays second guitar and trumpets. The band's sound is diverse, utilizing elements of skate punk, ska punk, pop-punk, hardcore punk and more. The songs of the band generally address issues such as politics, society, racism, the music industry, comedy and more.

Sources for this introduction were:

Ido50 00:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The band do not play punk rock, they play skate punk. Which is a different form of music... just as hardcore punk is different to punk rock. Thus Minor Threat rightly have hardcore in their genre box... just as NOFX need to have skate punk.
It would seem Warped Tour fanboys may be unaware that punk rock is a short lived musical movement from the late 1970s in New York and England, not the same thing as NOFX or other skate punk acts. - Deathrocker 18:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Warped Tour fanboys? Is that supposed to be an insult? 'Cause first of all I'm from Israel, I've never been, and probably never will be, to any Warped tour. Secondly, comments like the above only prove to me that you have almost no knowledge at all of what punk rock is. It is a shame that a Wikipedia article is terrorized by the opinion of one user, who thinks they know best. # Ido50 (talk to me), at 22:14, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Who cares what they play by your definition? The important phrase you're missing is "Utilize elements of" skate punk, etc. Leave It Alone. GeddyIsGodYYZ 13:34, 16 November 2006

It's not skate punk at all, its just punk. END OF.

Terrorized? That would imply that the poster above me threatened to physical harm you, which he did not. No wonder the Wikipedia Jews are losing power, and fast, as no one is taking your fake racism and persecution claims seriously anymore. F.y.i. they're pop punk, but they're harder than most cookie cutter pop "punk" bands that get radio play. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.100.197.180 (talk) 06:49, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support for terrorism?[edit]

First post...hopefully I do this right... I don't agree with this statement: "On March 14, 2006, an EP entitled Never Trust a Hippy was released, including the song "You're Wrong," which in which NOFX announced their suport of terrorism - Jihad, Islam holy war. That song cost NOFX quite a few core fans, due to the fact that there's no joke in the killing of innocent people in the name of religion."

  • There is no citation for this. NOFX does not support terrorism. Idjit 16:50, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • This song does not indicate NOFX's support of terrorism in fact it says the exact opposite:

"You're wrong fighting Jihad, your blind faith in God, Your religions are all flawed." - You're Wrong - NOFX

F*** He Who Gives Bush A Bad Name Rectum Records[edit]

Umm? Is there any confirmation of this, it seems rather sketchy as I dont see any sources regarding this. It also seems quite odd that NOFX would release under "Rectum Records" and not Fat Wreck Chords.

Dave Allen[edit]

Anyone have any information on this member? Seems quite silly that the link for Dave Allen on the NOFX artical redirects to the NOFX article. I say get rid of the redirect unless someone can write something. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Idjit (talk • contribs) 23:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Bikini Kill / Kathleen Hanna trivia[edit]

One of the trivia items spends some time discussing the controversy between NOFX & Bikini Kill. It seems a little one-sided, being that later on Kathleen Hanna's next band (Le Tigre) released a song called Deceptacon that is pretty much a reply to NOFX's song ("..Your lyrics are dumb like a linoleum floor.."). Well, at least that's what I've read, unfortunately I don't have links to any sources. Would be a good addition if someone can find a source, at least to fill out that bit of trivia.
PUnkX22 05:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • OH there is, but due to the amount of suck and shallowness in the reply, it is omitted.
    • IT should still be mentioned. (Besides the fact that NOFX's Kill Rockstars was more shallow than anything Kathleen's written.)66.105.213.23 23:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ha, you're joking right? She called the lyrics "dumb"(which is about half a step up from calling fat mike a poo poo head) and some how tried to make the purchase of a new van an insult. Something I don't really understand as insulting. The song might of been a half assed attempted if they didn't use such awful filler.

Straight Edge[edit]

Aren't they Straight Edge?--69.113.131.124 20:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty decidedly not. -Mask 07:49, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Their drummer is.
  • I thought The drummer just quit drinking...since when does that make you straight Edge? Straight Edge is not drinking not doing drugs, not smoking tobacco, not having Sex outside of matromony and as a fan for the last 20 some years of this band I never heard anything about the drummer short of him being "sober but smelly, and that he has a big belly, from living the good life provided by Punk."


  • He's married, and he went clean after he almost died after oding on heroine. In all the videos I've seen him in and live, I've never seen him smoke. Do you not have 10 years of fucking up?
  • I thought Straight Edge was some stupid christian movement, it's not something you automatically become if you stop drinking? Also, when he said quit drinking I think it's more likely that he said that he quit his habit of drinking, not that he quit drinking forever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.178.215.191 (talk) 21:13, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of Name[edit]

I changed the origin of NoFX's name, being that in any interwiews and on their website, they state that they didn't get their name from the Boston punk band named Negative FX. They said they just made up the name. Alkaline Trio Rocks 20:11, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And I'm changing it back, being that in the link that was referenced from their website, they state, "We just kinda ripped off the name from an old Boston band Negative FX." Also, in the band history section of the website, they state, "I said No FX after a band who had put out one record and broken up called Negative FX. Mike agreed that it was the best one so far." --Onorem 03:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, haha I'm glad someone else caught that most obvious of mistakes. I wonder how long the first guy was reading the website for. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.164.30.51 (talk) 23:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]


I was always told by die-hard noah fecks that the name stood for "NO Fucking Straight-Edgers" and (less believably "NO Fucking Christians" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.54.153 (talk) 05:50, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Fair use images[edit]

The use of images not in compliance with our fair-use criteria or our policy on nonfree content is not appropriate, and the images have been removed. Please do not restore them. -Mask? 07:53, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The question isn't whether they are skate punk or not[edit]

It has already been established that they are sourced to be Skate punk. The question is should this be listed in the intro paragraph. Look at other articles like Ramones, Bad Religion, and The Clash. All of those bands have multiple genres listed in their infobox, but are simply reffered to as the primary genre of punk rock in the intro paragraph.Hoponpop69 22:07, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Ramones and The Clash fit the definition of standard punk rock, while NOFX don't. Its important that skate punk be in the lead, because they are famous for popularising that style of music; it should also be mentioned in the lead (with the citation) their influence on other SoCal skate punk/Warped Tour/pop punk bands who have gone on to much success because that is something they're highly notable for. - The Daddy 22:19, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Given that you have both undoubtedly needlessly violated (or nearly violated) WP:3RR - I've changed the intro to merely say rock. Until this is resolved I recommend it stays that way.--danielfolsom 22:20, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Take a look at these google search results:

about 1,330,000 for nofx punk rock. about 147,000 for nofx skate punk

It is very clear that the band is known more predominantly as a punk rock band than a skate punk band.

Secondly the source that I keep deleting, which you claim shows a number of california bands on the warped tour were influenced by NOFX, does not mention any of this. If you post the source again I'm willing to check over it for a third time, but so far I don't not see where this information is coming from.68.114.92.198 00:26, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NOFX is punk rock. As for skate punk i don't know how good the term is. They have made references to skating in their songs/album art/music videos but they are also about a lot more than skating. The lead should say punk rock because that is the most accurate way of briefly describing what they are. If there is a "definition of standard punk rock" that includes Sex Pistols AND the Ramones, then it definately includes NOFX as well, because those bands are very different from each other in a lot of ways and the similarities they share NOFX share with them. Unless the definition of standard punk is "it's from the 70s." Arguably NOFX are pop punk but only to a certain extent (many NOFX songs, nay albums, are way outside of conventional pop punk). Lead should say punk rock. infobox should say punk rock, skate punk, pop punk. (Justinboden86 15:53, 26 August 2007 (UTC))[reply]
  • Just a drive-by opinion here, but given that there isn't much in the way of consistency in regards to listing "skate punk" in the lead-in for specific band articles where the bands also appear in the skate punk article, this would appear to be something of a case by case basis for listing it in the lead. Realistically I don't think anyone can legitimately and effectively argue that "skate punk" is the most correct and common sub-genre to apply to NOFX; they really ride the line between pop punk and hardcore more than anything else. If skating were intrinsically tied to their identity as a band this would be a different case, but really they are like Suicidal Tendencies, DK, Black Flag, Descendants... just a punk band that skaters listen to who have written songs about skating on occasion (and NOFX are not even one of the old skool skater bands at that). List them as "Punk Rock" in the lead and leave "Skate Punk" in the info box. Beyond that, trying to argue a "standard definition of Punk Rock" is ludicrous... there are so many variations and fusions even in first and second wave that it is nearly impossible to fit a definition of Punk into a neat little box.--Isotope23 talk 16:36, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Jumping Jesus on a Pogostick[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

This is the stupidist Wikipedia talk page I have ever seen. WHO CARES. BURNyA 17:08, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Section archived as it has nothing to do with improving the article. --Onorem♠Dil 17:18, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Not a Forum[edit]

On the contrary, Wikipedia does not play host to a band forum for a genre war. Neither does the talk page. This should have ended long ago. BURNyA 17:37, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Content edit wars are no good, but trust me... I've seen worse.--Isotope23 talk 18:25, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Summer of '69[edit]

Did NOFX ever cover this song?? If so where can i find it cause someone told me they had but im struggling to find it anywhere —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.40.238 (talk) 20:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.200.170 (talk • contribs)
You might be thinking of MXPX. They covered it on the On the Cover album. --Onorem♠Dil 12:51, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

who wants to help make a punk wiki?=[edit]

i know im only supposed to use this for improvements...but in a way i think it would benifit use if we made a punk wiki,so we could say one thing here and say another there like just call nofx punk rock.....kuz last time i thought of just current punk...i thought of NOFX and last time i thought of pop punk i thought of yellow card _______420 bong hits —Preceding unsigned comment added by 420bonghits (talk • contribs) 12:09, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is already a punk-rock wiki... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_rock -- also, NOFX is clearly pop-punk, as are GC, Green Day, Simple Plan, etc etc (and yes, I dispise all those bands... doesn't mean they don't play punk-rock).... punk has expanded into all sorts of different styles (retaining that core guitar/bass/drum driven beat, plus irreverence and substance abuse). LONG LIVE PUNK ROCK!
enjoy! Brooks bonkoksi (talk) 15:10, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Brooks bonkoksi (talk) 15:11, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Title over graphic?[edit]

This definitely seems like vandalism. And not sure how to fix it, so some help/someone just doing that would be ideal. Aodell (talk) 20:51, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Fail[edit]

Unfortunately, this article does not meet the criteria for a Good Article. Some of the major problems that need to be addressed are:

  1. It must be thoroughly referenced. Everything that is not common knowledge (most of the article) needs to be sourced.
  2. References need to be formatted correctly (each needs at least a title, publisher, url and accessdate). See Wikipedia:Citing sources.
  3. The lead should summarize all of the key points of the article.
  4. Placing entire sentences in parentheses breaks up the flow of the article. There is no reason that these sentences would need parentheses.
  5. Copyediting would help with some writing issues. Punctuation is a problem in some places, as is verb tense. The article should be written consitently in the past tense. Examples: "It would be their final album on Epitaph..." -> "It was their final album on Epitaph..." and "NOFX had signed to Epitaph..." -> "NOFX signed to epitaph..."
  6. It needs to be "broad in coverage". For example, the 1990s section is just a list of albums. More information about happenings with the band would help.
  7. The "Music style and influences" should be expanded. Three sentences isn't long enough to warrant an entire section.
  8. The beginning of the "2000s" section should be expanded. Single-sentence paragraphs should not be used.
  9. For such a colorful character, a quotation or two from Fat Mike would make the article more interesting to read.

Those are the biggest things that stand out. (1) More information so that the article doesn't read as a chronological list of albums and (2) references will be the biggest work. I feel that the changes required to get this to GA level are fairly substantial, so I am failing the article. I hope to see it as a GA some day, and I hope this feedback helps. GaryColemanFan (talk) 04:52, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First line wants major work. Fails a Good Article in the first couple of lines for me. Perry Groves (talk) 15:41, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not to be aggressive or confrontational, but considering the vast amount of info on this NOFX wiki I fail to see how you can characterize this as not being a good article. Wiki's standards are there for a reason - to ensure quality of info - this wiki is watched closely and arbitrary rules about syntax strike me as counterproductive. This wiki article is absolutely the best source for information on NOFX to those totally unfamiliar with the band. Clearly it could be improved (esp. wrt sourcing), but instead of denigrating the hard work put into this article (not by me btw) why not do that work yourself? 71.10.74.4 (talk) 23:31, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
About what I expected... guy hit and runs with his negative comments never to return or offer helpful suggestions/help out in editing the page himself. (repsonding to myself, but finally got myself a user name. I agree, that article needs serious work (though there is a TON of valid info already).... just I find it annoying that you just point out the flaws and don't bother fixing $H17Brooks bonkoksi (talk) 15:05, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation[edit]

The article says it's pronounced No-eff-ecks, which I take as meaning the F and X are pronounced separately, as letters. I've almost always heard it pronounced No-uh-fex, with the FX pronounced like the word "effects". Not a big deal, but it seems wrong to me. Anyone have an opinion? Carlsotr (talk) 09:39, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WRT to "No-uh-fex", that is simply Fat Mike refusing to articulate no matter what. As I mention later in the discussion page, NOFX contains a diphthong meaning it can be spelled with any vowel you please, but it will basically always make the same sound (enunciation?). I've seen NOFX live more times than I can remember, and FMike always seemed to pronounce the name "no-eff-eks), though as I said before -- there really isn't a "correct" way to pronounce their name. Just don't say "No Effects" and it's all good in the hood.Brooks bonkoksi (talk) 15:25, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fairly certain most people pronounce it as No-eff-ex. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.178.215.191 (talk) 21:18, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

the right way to say the band's name doesn't really matter, but it is "no-off-eks": 04:32, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
I think the written renditions here simply reflect the speaker's accent. Spoken / sung examples of how Fat mike pronounces it can be heard at the start of The Death of John Smith from The Longest Line, or in the Backstage Passport theme. Oldelpaso (talk) 11:16, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
He pronounces it "Hi, we're 'no - uff - eks'" during the intro (imo), but I've heard him pronounce the name many diff ways. Keep in mind he's often drunk, on benzos, coke, etc71.10.74.4 (talk) 23:18, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Would like to point out that the name NOFX contains a hidden "diphthong" -- the "eff" or "uff" or "aff" etc, are all ways of spelling the same sound. I'm going to try to link to the page, but I'll prop fail. :(.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vowel#Monophthongs.2C_diphthongs.2C_triphthongs hope that works and is within Wiki standards of practice. Best of luck guys, and keep on rockin the NOFX (LOVING THE NEWEST "The Longest EP", and Coaster was mindbogglingly good) imo... but I digress.Brooks bonkoksi (talk) 14:45, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
several small edits to promote clearity.Brooks bonkoksi (talk) 15:25, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed "Epitaph Years" Discography Mistake[edit]

The wording of the sentence regarding the release of "The Longest Line" and "White Trash, Two Heebs..." gave the impression that WTTHAAB was released before TLL when TLL was released over 5 months before WTTHAAB. I sorta fixed it, but somebody that's more articulate than me could definitely improve the wording more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.10.74.4 (talk) 20:47, 5 January 2011 (UTC) 71.10.74.4 (talk) 23:14, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relationship with Media, wrt Conan O'Brian appearance[edit]

First, "Conan seemed to find their performance displeasing or unprofessional" is entirely subjective, and is actually the opposite of my own impression. This should either be removed or backed up with a source/evidence.

The following sentence "The band briefly pursued an "anti-Conan" riff...." is extremely unclear and I would delete it if I had a clue what it meant. Please clarify or delete.

Lastly... The verse;

"We all know George Bush is an imbecile; He loves Dick [Cheney] but he hates homosexuals; We're sick and tired of the embarrassment; The whole world wants us to get a better president"

is actually a slightly sanitized version of the usual alteration to the verse (and is only used live as seen on they're most recent live album and reports from fans). Usually the last line would be said;

"...We're sick and tired of the embarrassment; the whole world wants us to kill the ("our?") fucking President." 71.10.74.4 (talk) 00:07, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

IPA pronunciation?[edit]

Could we get an IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet) pronunciation? Because "no-ef-ex" depends on your regional accent. Quark1005 (talk) 12:28, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Album Chronology[edit]

I'm thinking of doing a merge/overhaul of the album chronology in individual album pages. Combining albums chronology with EPs, cover albums and such. Thoughts?Jasper420 18:54, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, I see there was a consensus NOT to do what I was planning on doing five years ago. Carry on, men.Jasper420 01:58, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm bringing it back. It looks that there is no consistency in individual releases articles regarding the chronology. For example, Liberal Animation has nothing before, as it is the first studio album (NOFX has released EPs before), while Coaster is surrounded by a live album and a compilation, The Longest EP which is surrounded by an EP and a split album, but not by Coaster !!!
So I'd like to have two separated chronologies:
  • NOFX albums chronology, which would feature only studio albums, live albums and compilation albums.
  • NOFX chronology, which would feature all the aforementioned releases plus extended plays and splits.
EPs and splits should only have the latter chronology.
I see that something similar had been decided here but apparently it hasn't survived the test of time. Maimai009 08:59, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've just noticed that there is also a singles chronology, for example here. I'll clean-up this one too. Maimai009 14:26, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
All albums and EPs go in a single chain, per Template:Infobox album#Chronology. Please do not create 2 separate chronologies. If you notice a break in the the integrity of the chain, (release "A" points to "B" as the next release, but "B" does not point back to "A" as the previous release), go ahead and fix it, but all albums and EPs (including splits) go in one chain. --IllaZilla (talk) 15:00, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK I hadn't noticed that point, no need for two separate Albums/EP chronologies. There are indeed plenty of inconsistencies in both the album and singles chains, I'll take a look at them. Maimai009 15:39, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Singles have a separate infobox and thus a separate chain. NOFX's discography is a bit confusing because they have released so many 7-inches, some of which would be considered singles and others EPs (they usually just use "7-inch" as a blanket term for all these releases). Something like "Don't Call Me White" is clearly a single: it's a track from an album, with 1 other track on the b-side. But "Leave It Alone" is also an album single even though it has 3 additional tracks. "Pods and Gods" is also a single, with just 1 track per side. But The Decline, even though it's just 1 track, is considered an EP due to its length. HOFX is also considered an EP even though it only has 1 track per side, since it was given a stand-alone title instead of just being called "We Ain't Shit" or "Drugs Are Good". Their discography can get pretty confusing. --IllaZilla (talk) 16:39, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"I Heard They Suck Live!" Liner notes[edit]

In the "Epitaph Years" section, it says:

"The following year, the band released its first live album I Heard They Suck Live!!. In the liner notes the band explicitly rejected the advances of major record labels and radio airplay, stating "We've been doing fine all these years without you so leave us alone!" Punk in Drublic is now considered a classic punk album by fans and critics alike."

This is inaccurate. The liner notes mentioned are instead from the "Heavy Petting Zoo" album (released in 1996), and NOT "I heard they suck live!". Plus the part that says that "Punk in drublic is now considered a classic punk album..." should be on the preceding paragraph (the one that actually mentions the album). It's confusing the way it is right now.

--189.121.29.252 (talk) 04:31, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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stating that NOFX has been banned from playing in the US[edit]

I think it should be added that they have been banned from playing in the US .Getmotionlessscaredinwhite (talk) 17:38, 28 June 2018 (UTC)getmotionlessscaredinwhite[reply]

Do you have a reliable source confirming this statement? Meatsgains(talk) 18:08, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A little bit of reading goes a long way. From the third paragraph of the 2015-present section: "In June the band stated all of their U.S. concerts had been cancelled and they had been "effectively banned" from playing in the United States.[57]". RF23 (talk) 00:58, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Profile picture[edit]

Any way we could change the profile picture? It's been here for over a decade and I feel like it does not represent NOFX. They look like a ska band in that picture. Fat Mike looks completely different now. The picture is 13 years old, I think it's time for a current one. --2A02:908:1DA:F60:E1CA:2158:B563:BB97 (talk) 14:44, 1 January 2019 (UTC) (too lazy to log in)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2019[edit]

Crass' 20-minute song which is the second longest punk song is called "Taking Sides", not "Yes Sir, I Will". Latter is the title of the record. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_Sir,_I_Will 94.21.200.16 (talk) 22:43, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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