Talk:Rosicrucian Fellowship

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I have trimmed most of the external links because they were repetitive, with lots of sub-pages. Wikipedia is not a link farm, and we need to work hard to keep such links to an essential few. I also made a few style changes to fit Wikipedia style, such as taking out unnecessary bolds/italics and removing the "headline" at the beginning. - DavidWBrooks 17:03, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

This seems a very odd article: it appears to be entirely based upon self-published books and websites. Is the organisation notable? Does it even exist? There are related articles with similar problems: The Rosicrucian conception of God and the scheme of evolution, Rosicrucian Monographs, Ancient Order of the Rosicrucians. LeContexte (talk) 16:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes the Rosicrucian Fellowship does exist. I visited its headquarters in Oceanside, CA, went to one of its public services (which reminded me a lot of the Christian Science services I attended with my family when I was young) and even signed up for one of its correspondence courses. However, by the way this article is written (more like an advertisement than an encyclopedia entry) and the fact that there are no pictures of some of its really nice buildings, one would think it is made up. I will look through my pictures, but I may not have anything from my last visit several years ago. If I do I will put one up. One thing that is missing here is that its founder was a former member of the Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor. The vague statement of being trained by "Elder Brothers of the Rosicrucian Order in Germany" is something they tell their members. But, the truth is, those "Elder Brothers" were the aformentioned order where he got many of the ideas that he taught. But, I won't enter that into the main page until I lock down a decent third party reference. I will also look for the reference I once read that stated that Manly P. Hall (a famous author on Freemasonry and the Western Mysteries) was a member of this order. Enoch326 (talk) 15:35, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Nevermind about the pictures. There is a nice airborne one in the article for Mt. Ecclesia. It shows their Temple space where only Probationers and above can go in. Not being one, I have never been inside. I couldn't handle the Vow of Vegetarianism they require :) So I joined a different Rosicrucian group. But these guys were nice. Low drama, more mature crowd... but this isn't a place for commentary. Enoch326 (talk) 16:06, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! Some clarifications to your questions, as far as i am able:
  • The article presents self-published references since, in spite of this organization-school being almost one century old and spread worldwide, it is very scarce the knowleadgeable third party studies about it (at least i am not acquainted with them). One could present published references and studies available in foreign languages (as in my mothertongue) and from individuals with the finest intellectual background (either academic and/or professional), yet they all relate to the school and, in that case, one would have to consider them also 'self-published' (although they are public and verifiable).
  • About being notable: well, one may consider it notable since it is spread across several countries, mainly in American and European continents (the article contains an external link to those locations), that is, in the western world.
  • About its existence: in the country, in western Europe, where i am located it exists since the 1920's and the local main headquarters (address available at the same mentioned previous external link) were sieged and vandalized by the secret police of the dictatorial regime back in the 70's. Still, keeping its usual low-profile, far from the vanity of current-day modern society, it continues to do its work and it publishes one of the oldest magazines in the country, started in 1926.
  • The wikilink The Rosicrucian conception of God and the scheme of evolution that you refer belongs to the article about the book The Rosicrucian Cosmo-Conception, which was written by the founder of this school and had innumerous editions in the U.S. alone by the school upon reference [1] as well as by third-party editors [2] and even added to the historical collections that exist in digital format at the IA [3].
All in all, the current article about The Rosicrucian Fellowship [4], being slowly built since October 2004, is currently maybe the most comprehensive third-party one available online to our readers (and perhaps even among those which may exist in paper format) based solely upon the rudimentary knowledge of the individual(s), from a non-English speaking country of western Europe, contributing during this period of time and in the limited available resources. As such, i am reverting your previous tagging edition: should you not be convinced about the above focused points then please be free to re-insert them again and present your point of view. Thank you. See you! --Tekto9 (talk) 01:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure I understand how an organisation can be 100 years old but have nothing written about it - if there are independent foreign language sources then it would be helpful to cite them. I'm also not sure it's appropriate for parts of the article to based solely upon the personal knowledge of contributors. LeContexte (talk) 12:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, it makes one recall the words The Fraternity should remain secret one hundred years [5]. Anyway, i am adding three independent references (two of them available online) that, although presenting brief and superficial analysis, support the main historical and geographical aspects in the article, one of them (from local news) even shows the active existence of the Fellowship and the headquarters. Glad to be of service. --Tekto9 (talk) 15:46, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I recently added a higher resolution of the emblem, then it occurred to me that the symbolism of the emblem should be elaborated. I need to find the reference, but from memory it was:

  • blue: God's love for all
  • gold star: aka golden wedding garment : Christ born within the aspirant radiating outward
  • white cross : the physical body
  • 7 red roses: aspirant's blood cleansed of passions
  • 1 white rose: purity
RE: A study of the symbolism of the emblem may be found here. Cheers. --81.193.219.82 (talk) 10:35, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reclassification of article[edit]

I've reclassified this article as start class as it lacks adequate reliable sources. I'll also put some suitable tags on the page itself to indicate the issues mentioned above. --Rogerb67 (talk) 00:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 17 May 2018[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain t/c 16:40, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]


The Rosicrucian Fellowship → Rosicrucian Fellowship – Per WP:THE. Chicbyaccident (talk) 16:42, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support per nom. No good reason for the definite article. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:16, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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seven planes: Template:planes of existence[edit]

Rosicrucianism has similar/same seven planes as Hinduism/Theosophy (1800s) which Theosophical Society founder Rosicrucian Madame Blavatsky translated; seems exact same: physical, astral, mental, four spiritual planes. Can Rosicrucian editors check 'template:planes of existence' to combine your planes into top seven planes section (not just far-below redirect)?--dchmelik☀️🕉︎☉🦉🐝🐍☤☆(talk 13:56, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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