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Add this[edit]

Would anyone add the following:

  • The body colour of Meenakshi is greenish, a very rare stone geologically
  • She has one parrot perched on her shoulder - the spiritual significance thereof as found in any of the Nayanmars' poems
  • A photo of the idol - beauty personified

61.0.164.110 16:54, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't you do it? Apparently you're knowledgeable. siafu 21:41, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I could have but for the fact that –
  • I do not know ABC of geology
  • I faintly remember that in my childhood days once I heard the significance in a Kathakalashepam (spiritual discourse) of Variar. I have now no access to Nayanmars poems and neither I would be able to do research separately
  • I am living at a great distance from Madurai and taking latest photo is just not feasible
Hence I sought the help of others.
61.0.164.192 03:22, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling[edit]

Propose to rename this article to Minakshi, in line with a standard system, see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Hinduism#Naming_and_Transliteration. Imc 13:08, 11 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Many articles link to this one on Meenakshi[edit]

If you change the spelling, be sure to change all the links in other articles to the new spelling. Mattisse(talk) 16:01, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why "akshi" is once translated as "monarchy" and once as "eyes"? Shouldn't it be both time "eyes"? If not it should be explained otherwise it's very confusing.

Odd Section[edit]

Shouldn't this section:

Winning over maya (illusion) is just the realisation of Truth. This is what the Lord can do for us. This is the purpose of all scriptures. This Realisation is the establishment of the symbol (Linga-sthApanaM) of the Light of the Self. Lord Rama did this on the shores of the Ocean just before He crossed over to Lanka. The Lord Shiva as Sundaresvara did a similar pratiSThApanaM (winning over maya) on the day of his wedding with the Goddess Minakshi. Throughout the three worlds the establishment of the sphaTika-lingaM as the unique expression of the Truth in one’s heart augurs for the victory over the mysterious prakRti.[2]

Be a quote or something? It seems to be a religious text of some kind. --72.23.28.29 (talk) 20:15, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute on Etymology[edit]

Hi agasthyathepirate Why would you delete [1], which is a valid source?

Is there a problem with the name Meenkashi also having a Tamil origin? I provided pretty much reliable sources which was published by the Government of Tamil Nadu. I don't think your sources are bad, but they are not specialized on etymology, while my source is a official Etymology dictionary and thus I left both versions there. You just deleted a valid sourced content with its source. Shouldn't you at least take it talk page before making any edits? I think it is strange that you also didn't answered further on my talk page after I gave you an answer. I also waited on you to answer for two days and even mentioned in my edit that you didn't answer my talk page, which you haven't thill date. At least answer here? This [2], is also unreasonable justification of reverting my edit when my content was valid with valid source. I will give it two days before reverting back both articles if I don't get an answer here, because my edits were valid.Xenani (talk) 19:09, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

hi Xenani, note that your edits are not reversed, they are modified as per the sources provided by you. I have deleted/changed the content which seemed to be of your own interest of highlighting Tamil. I have just made changes as per the source quoted by you on Tamil meaning of Meenakshi. And this is English Wikipedia try to provide valid English sources. In Meenakshi Temple page you have intentionally replaced existing content with your content and that is the reason they are reverted. Hope you understand. agasthyathepirate(talk) 20:08, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi agasthyathepirate. I don't see how giving an etymology of a word is about highlighting a language. Couldn't the reverse be also true that you try to highlight Sanskrit? I hope not, and so is also my edit. There is not much use to the translation of Meenakshi in Tamil without giving the meaning of both words it stems from.

You did not do any change, rather you deleted a portion of my edit with a valid source. Nothing I wrote was my own words, it was written according to the valid sources. Yes it is an English wikipedia but that doesn't mean foreign sources are not legitimate according to WP:RSUE. I hope you understand the Wikipedia standards.I will undo your edit with some small modification. And on Meenakshi Temple, only unsourced content was replaced with sourced content, but I will add the same sources applied in this article to Meenkashi Temple article. I hope you understand that it is not appropriate to undo a whole edit based on your own assumption on a user without fully knowing that the content put where backed up by valid sources on both articles. I hope there is some understanding in this. Peace Xenani (talk) 16:05, 29 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Xenani since you are into edit war. I will request an admin to look into this. As majority of the sources are showing Meena as a Sanskrit term but you keep on reversing it. There is no one stopping you from adding Tamil meaning of the word with valid sources. But you keep on removing references to Sanskrit wantedly. Your intentions clearly seemed to be highlighting Tamil. In Tamil, Hindi, Telugu, kannada Meena means fish but it's origin is Sanskrit as per sources. agasthyathepirate(talk) 21:04, 29 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi agasthyathepirate. Would you show where I removed references to Sanskrit or any references at all, I believe it was the reverse. It is disappointing to see that you write such wrong assumptions. My intention is not highlighting any language, only contribute to improving Wikipedia articles. It wasn't the meaning of creating any "edit war", it just happened that you removed my sourced content without proper explanation, and therefore I added back with improved edits for each time you reverted. You can request an admin to look into this, I have no problem with it. Peace Xenani (talk) 22:42, 29 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Etymology[edit]

Hi @Ssriram mt:/@Utcursch:/@Ms Sarah Welch:, The etymology of Meenakshi says Meen-Fish and Akshi- Eye in almost every scholarly book references. And Meen is a sanskrit word as per many scholarly books. But this article and its related temple article mentions Meen as a Tamil word and Meenakshi means Fish rule. And moreover the citation given for Tamil meaning is A Tamil dictionary by government of Tamilnadu. Could you guys add your thoughts? There was a discussion which happened earlier on this. Please refer that too.

Hi @Xenani: these citations are added by you. Please share your thoughts too aggi007(talk) 04:29, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi aggi007,

According to these academic sources [3][4][5][6][7], is mīṉ a word of Dravidian origin.Xenani (talk) 14:33, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The word mīna is of Dravidian origin, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the temple has a Tamil name. For example, the word "Mango" is derived from Tamil as well, but that doesn't mean that "Mango Hill" is a Tamil name. A dictionary entry stating that the word mīna is of Tamil (or Sanskrit, for that matter) origin should not be used as a reference here.
The source should directly state that the temple's name is derived from the words X and Y of XYZ language(s). utcursch | talk 14:55, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Utcursch:,@Xenani: The source [1] states that name of the presiding deity of temple- Meenakshi is a sanskrit term, which means Fish-eyed. It also talks about its Tamil equivalent word as Angaryarkannamai which also had same meaning(Fish eyed). Another source [2] says that Meenakshi is of Sanskrit origin and she is wife of Lord shiva. The other sources also clearly say Meenakshi means Fish-Eyed eventhough they never said about its origin.[3][4][5][6]. aggi007(talk) 04:35, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Utcursch:, can we conclude this. Or do we need to involve an admin to meet the consensus? aggi007(talk) 08:58, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The vast majority of the scholarly sources seem to agree that the name means "fish-eyed". The alternative etymology ("rule of the fish") seems to be supported by two sources: the Journal of Indian History and A Comprehensive Etymological Dictionary of the Tamil Language. I don't have full access to either of these sources, but assuming good faith, the alternative etymology can be mentioned as well. I'll update the article with a few sources. utcursch | talk 17:30, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I had updated Etymology section of the Meenakshi Temple article aggi007(talk) 04:19, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "A Comprehensive Etymological Dictionary of the Tamil Language, Vol. VII, PART - II". www.tamilvu.org. (மீன் = fish, ஆட்சி = rule). Tamil Virtual Academy, Government of Tamil Nadu. 2007. p. 68. Retrieved 2017-09-27. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url= (help)CS1 maint: others (link)
  2. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meenakshi_Temple&diff=802755075&oldid=802753626
  3. ^ Burrow, Thomas (2001). The Sanskrit Language. Motilal Banarsidass Publ. p. 385. ISBN 9788120817678.
  4. ^ Zide, Arlene R.; Zvelebil, Kamil V. (1976-01-01). The Soviet Decipherment of the Indus Valley Script: Translation and Critique. Walter de Gruyter. p. 115. ISBN 9783110800258.
  5. ^ Achaya, K. T. (1994). Indian food: a historical companion. Oxford University Press. p. 10.
  6. ^ Caldwell, Robert (1856). A Comparative Grammar of the Dravidian Or South-Indian Family of Languages. Harrison. p. 447.
  7. ^ http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/etymology.cgi?single=1&basename=%2Fdata%2Fdrav%2Fdravet&text_number=+870&root=config

@Xenani and Aggi007: Wikipedia articles cannot be used as sources for other wikipedia articles. Rinet.ru does not appear to be WP:RS. We need peer-reviewed scholarly sources. @Utcursch: I like the changes you made, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 01:45, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Recent move[edit]

The article was recently moved without discussion to Minakshi. I've moved it back, but this isn't the first time, as a previous move happened in 2017. Also, there are numerous aliases in the lead. Meenakshi appears to be the more common of the two, but there are other options, and it deserves further investigation and discussion. I'll request assistance from the India noticeboard for additional opinions. Mathglot (talk) 09:05, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ideally it should be "Minakshi" or "Mīnākṣī", because of Wikipedia Indic naming conventions, and Indic transliteration practices. There was a comment in 2004 on this very page. Meenakshi is the more common spelling because of older transliteration practices. Wizardofalltrades (talk) 15:46, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Question on Jain claim[edit]

Recent reverted edits included the following statement:

"Truth - Tirthankar Neminatha the family god of the pandyas was hidden away and Kushmandini was renamed Minakshi And Converted to Hindu Temple. The Andis there perscuted the Jainas and celebrated the festival of Pikes [Sramano Sulada Habba]."

Is there any readily available information on the alleged conversion? Has this topic been researched? 47.138.17.114 (talk) 00:15, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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