Talk:Focke-Wulf Fw 61

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Type query[edit]

This machine was probably the first to take off succesfully, but is it not an "Autogyro" instead of a Helicopter?

nope - the rotors were powered. autogyros rotate by forward movement. -eric ✈ 06:09, 16 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"First helicopter"?[edit]

In german Wikipedia we have slightly different data - we see the first flight of the FW-61 on June 26, 1936 (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Fw_61).

And connected to this fact we see the french "Gyroplane-Laboratoire" as "the first stable flying helicopter": http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyroplane-Laboratoire

Maybe you want to consider this data for a change on this and/or connected articles.

--84.189.159.223 01:13, 19 January 2006 (UTC) (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Bernd_vdB)[reply]

First controllable helicopter?[edit]

According to the Wikipedia entry for Helicopter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter

"A flight of the first fully controllable helicopter was demonstrated by Raúl Pateras de Pescara 1916 in Buenos Aires, Argentina."

This seems to contradict the claim that the Fw61 was the first fully controlable helicopter. Both entries can't be right...—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.211.128.91 (talk • contribs)

Born2flie: That section of the Helicopter article has been edited. --18:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Internal links[edit]

I added a few internal links, some of which might help in researching this subject, but I can't add anything to the debate about whether this was the first (fully controllable) helicopter or not. There must be aviation buffs out there (especially rotary-wing) who can expand this article. Hurrmic 19:18, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Name?[edit]

Born2flie: Several references refer to the helicopter as a Focke-Achgelis design, the Fa 61[1][2] or the Model 61. --19:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, as far as I can tell, while the 61 was designed by both Focke and Achgelis, Focke-Achgelis was not incorporated until 1937. Saying that their first project was an 'official' FA design sounds like revisionist history to me. ericg ✈ 20:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Born2flie:The German article says that Focke, himself, never referred to it as the Fw 61 but simply as the F 61. I had included this in the article, but the German article is unreferenced. The German article also acknowledges that the aircraft is sometimes referred to by some sources as the Fa 61. Guess I'll keep looking for a definitive source. --01:55, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In German Aircraft of the Second World War, a 745-page blockbuster written by J.R. Smith and Anthony Kay this aircraft is named Focke Achgelis Fa 61 (pages 596-597) as does Smith in Focke-Wulf, an Aircraft Album on pages 98-101.Dirk P Broer (talk) 00:21, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Can't use a fair use rationale because the image is on the Commons where fair use is not permitted. Image needs to be deleted off of the Commons and then uploaded again to Wikipedia with a fair use rationale and tag. --Born2flie 22:36, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why does the photograph display a registration number belonging to a SkyHawk from 1964 to 2015? Is it authentic? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.241.69.172 (talk) 19:37, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A thought[edit]

Looking at the picture, I can tell you that thing is not a helicopter but rather an airplane with two propellers pointing up. I'll leave this alone for now so as to not start an edit war.12.192.132.130 (talk) 14:09, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think, with respect, that it is clear from the article itself that this is indeed a helicopter as defined there and here. The exact appearance of this particular machine may not be such a useful guide here, given the early stage of development that we were then at. The important thing is how it works, not how it looks. :) Best wishes. DBaK (talk) 09:10, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

helicopter?[edit]

judging from the pic this is an autogyro.  Dr. Loosmark  08:49, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think, with respect, that it is clear from the article itself that this is indeed a helicopter as defined there and here. The exact appearance of this particular machine may not be such a useful guide here, given the early stage of development that we were then at. The important thing is how it works, not how it looks. :) Best wishes. DBaK (talk) 09:10, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The cut-down 'propeller' on the front is acting merely as an engine cooling fan - the engine also drives both rotors which are powered all the time, making it a 'proper' helicopter, which is why it was able to hover inside the sports stadium. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.112.64.88 (talk) 08:50, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Born2flie: First, truly viable helicopter, whether or not it was the first "fully controllable" helicopter. It deserves a better treatment. --18:40, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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