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Only two?[edit]

"one of only two non-rectangular flags in the world", the article read. Ohio. Nepal. The Danish, Swedish, Icelandic, and Norwegian governments. The Danish, Swedish, and Norwegian navies. The Ryukyu Islands. The flag of the Romanian uprising of 1980. Numerous historical war flags from north Africa and Asia.... I have removed thhe comment from the text. Grutness...wha? 09:09, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for helping with this article; I built this article using information from the Nepal flag and Ohio flag articles. My apologies; IanManka 04:23, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've added an image of the flag itself; it seems to be an appropriate illustration of the content. Ziggurat 02:21, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just to update the information supplied by Grutness, the use of "swallow-tailed" flags in the Nordic Countries applies to the following flags: State Flag / Naval Ensign in both Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Iceland. The flags of Denmark and Iceland use two "tails"; Sweden, Norway and Finland use three. A number of official flags in all countries use the same form as well since they are basically modified versions of the local State flag. This applies e.g. to a large number of flags in Denmark, most notably the standards used by the royal family and by leading naval officers. The civil flags are square in all five countries. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 10:39, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Btw, Danes also use rows of swallow-tailed paper flags for birthday party decorations and for decorating Christmas trees. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 11:09, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why Flag Shape[edit]

Any explanation of why it's the only state flag of a pennant type?--Carl

This should be easy to find. I recently read it was supposed to resemble a cavalry flag.--208.102.210.163 (talk) 00:13, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Amusingly, I read the cavalry flag relation on this article. (see second paragraph)--208.102.210.163 (talk) 00:31, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Only 2 non-rectangular flags in the whole world?[edit]

Is there any proof of this fact? This is a bold claim as there are probably hundreds of thousands of flags in use by the world's governments (Think of all the county flags in the US alone). A proof would require a researcher investigating the flags of every country, territory, region, state, county, etc...

This sounds like the work of an over-zealous editor and I vote for this to be stricken from this article and Flag of Nepal.Asteron ノレツァ 05:23, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)

This criticism does not apply to Flag of Nepal: that page claims that Nepal's is the only non-rectangular national flag, and although it is uncertain exactly how many countries there are, and exactly what their flags are, it is pretty certain (and well established) that Nepal's is the only non-rectangular national flag. --Taejo 08:24, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
In addition, Flag of Nepal says that there are four non-rectangular flags including Flag of Switzerland and Flag of Vatican City. Some rewording is in order, at the very least. Dismas|(talk) 14:31, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Squares are a type of rectangle, so the flags of Switzerland and the Vatican City are indeed rectangular. User:Angr 15:26, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

First 100 years of Ohio's Existence - State Flag?[edit]

Was there any semblance of a state flag from 1803 - 1902? It's strange to see a state exist for 100 years without any flag.

Yeah, I came here ready to pose the same question. Gold Stur 22:06, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Colors Wrong[edit]

The colors are definitely wrong. The shades of blue and red seem to correspond with those of the flag of the United States of America, a drastically darker shade. Consider the picture on the page as evidence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.102.210.163 (talk) 00:22, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello? Anyone?--189.33.38.206 (talk) 02:07, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bob Grant Controversy[edit]

On his October 15th show, conservative talk show host Bob Grant mistook the Ohio flag for an "Obama" flag, saying,

But really folks, did you notice Obama is not content with just having several American flags, plain old American flags with the 50 states represented by 50 stars? He has the "O" flag. And that's what that "O" is. That's what that "O" is. Just like he did with the plane he was using. He had the flag painted over, and the "O" for Obama. Now, these are symptom -- these things are symptomatic of a person who would like to be a potentate -- a dictator. And I really see this in this man.

DarkAudit (talk) 01:41, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

not sure if it's relevent/notable enough to be mentioned in the article, but that's hilarious. Even I knew it was the Ohio flag, and I'm not even American. --86.138.30.7 (talk) 17:52, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It was mentioned in the Bob Grant article, and that's enough. DarkAudit (talk) 03:50, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Only two non-rectangular flags - again[edit]

[The flag of Ohio is] one of only two non-rectangular official jurisdictional flags, at the state level or above, in the world (the other is the flag of Nepal).

If "at the state level or above" means "countries and first-level subdivisions only", this text is false, as two of the Polish voivodeships have trapezoid-shaped flags. SiBr4 (talk) 19:35, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The text now says "non-quadrilateral", which excludes trapezoids. Off to find more counterexamples! :^) – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 08:58, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Mxn: I may have some more; I'm not sure whether "official jurisdictional flags" would include state flags and naval ensigns, but several Northern European countries have swallowtail-shaped ensigns ( Denmark,  Estonia,  Finland,  Germany,  Iceland,  Poland,  Sweden). The word "current" would explicitly exclude flags like that of the  Qing dynasty. SiBr4 (talk) 19:05, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think "official jurisdictional flags" referred to "civil flags" (as opposed to naval flags and the like), but I decided to weasel the article out of this one. Ohio's flag is now a "rare example of a non-quadrilateral civil flag". Does "civil flag" necessarily imply that the government uses a distinct state flag? – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 12:34, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Earlier flags[edit]

This article describes one earlier state flag, but this Enquirer article quotes the Ohio Historical Society's spokesman pointing out the existence of "different, earlier versions of a flag" – plural. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 03:26, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: MrWooHoo (talk · contribs) 19:35, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like a great article! Will begin the review ASAP! Brandon (MrWooHoo) • Talk to Brandon! 19:35, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! By the way, there's currently a CS1 citation error in the article, but according to Help:CS1 errors#chapter ignored, it's caused by a bug in {{cite conference}} and a fix has been proposed. Also, as I wrote this article, I was unsure whether to keep the gubernatorial flag section in this article or move it to Seal of Ohio. Most gubernatorial flags are located in state flag articles; on the other hand, Ohio's is based on the state seal and completely unrelated to the civil flag. I'm planning to nominate Seal of Ohio once I get around to adding a few more variations, so any feedback you have regarding the gubernatorial flag will be useful either way. – Minh Nguyễn 💬 21:11, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Pre-Review Notes[edit]

I do my review in a style with a "main review" in a table, and 2 side reviews. (a prose and a source) Here is a good example.

Review[edit]

Rate Attribute Review Comment
1. Well-written:
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. All corrections changed!
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. All changes done.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. All changes done.
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). There are in-line citations for all information in the article.
2c. it contains no original research. Again, all info is sourced.
3. Broad in its coverage:
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. Main aspects are covered for the Flag of Ohio.
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). No unnecessary off-topic that I've seen.
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. Great job with following the NPOV policy.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. No major edit wars/arguments. Not recent (obviously)
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. No more issues with pictures.
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. All images relevant to the Flag of Ohio.
7. Overall assessment. All changes done! Great job with the article! Brandon (MrWooHoo) • Talk to Brandon! 16:15, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Prose Review[edit]

Note: If you have changed the sentence that needed to be corrected, press Enter and start off the line with ::, then use checkY or  Done If the change was only partially done use checkY, and ☒N or  Not done if the change could not occur. (If you would explain why, I would be greatly appreciated :P) To see code, go to edit source and copy the code.

  • Lead
Like I said in the item 1b of the table, could you expand it for a more in-depth summary of the "usage" and "design" sections?
 Done – Minh Nguyễn 💬 04:21, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • History
Seems good. No grammar issues.
  • Usage

"...however, Ohio's takes on special importance due to the flag's irregular shape."

Add procedure after Ohio's so it makes the sentence more clear.
 Done – Minh Nguyễn 💬 01:48, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Flag of the Governor
I think the part about the gubernational flag is fine, and you should keep it. No issues with it.

 Done After you raised the question about the flag's copyright status in 6a above, I did a bit more research and ended up both rewriting the section and redrawing the image! It turns out the design was adopted in 1905 and is therefore out of copyright. I redrew the flag based on the statute and swapped in a different reproduction of the state coat of arms. The previous coat of arms came from the "Artist's Version" of the seal that state agencies only use decoratively; the new one is consistent with the seal that the Governor's office uses everywhere (including on their website).

Unfortunately, the Governor's flag is obscure enough that I haven't found any real-life photos to compare it with, so it's based on just the statute and Smith (1975). The original image was almost certainly based on the crude reproduction at [1], which was probably influenced by the Artist's Version shown prominently in the infobox in Ohio. (Wikipedia editors really like the colorful Artist's Version and have reverted any attempt to use the black-and-white official seal in that infobox.)

I realize GA nominees aren't supposed to be changing that much, but I hope you'll excuse the changes as worthwhile improvements. I don't expect there to be further overhauls in the near future. :^)

– Minh Nguyễn 💬 10:41, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Great job maintaining the prose of this article!

Source Review[edit]

  • No issues that I've seen that were major besides the CS1 you mentioned, which can't be fixed at the moment. Great job with the sources. Brandon (MrWooHoo) • Talk to Brandon! 18:13, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Isn't Eisenmann's geometry wrong?[edit]

If the triangle is constructed according to the instructions, the distance OK is about 2.4721

But the dashed circle ("With OK as radius inscribe the circle I.J.K.L.M.N.") has a radius 2.5.

Anyone tried?

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