Talk:Micronation

Confederate States of America

Is Confederate States of America a micronation or amicrostate? No country recognized it. But it did have things few micronations have, like a legislature, army, etc. deisenbe (talk) 19:26, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

The Confederacy would be an unrecognised state, that de facto controlled some areas of the southern united states.AxderWraith Crimson (talk) 17:08, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Micronation is a 20th century concept, so I don't think the CSA can be considered as such. Also, while the CSA wasn't recognized as a sovereign state, it was recognized as a belligerent by the United Kingdom. pandakekok9 (talk) 09:10, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

It also wasn't a "micro" anything-- the Confederate States covered close to two million km² and were home to nine million people. PepperBeast (talk) 14:20, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

The CSA was a (failed) secession. Literally dozens of similar examples throughout history. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 15:10, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Notable micronations

What are the requirements to add or remove a micronation from the section "Notable micronations", because almost all of them are connected or associated with fraud or financial scam projects? Meanwhile there are micronations like Ladonia (art), Molossia and Atlantium (hobby), Flandrensis (ecologic) and many other projects? The section "Micronations based on historical claims" is more based on facts. I propose to remove the section and just keep the reference to the page List of micronations. Delle89 (talk) 20:23, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Fehufanga (talk · contribs) 05:54, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I'll be reviewing the article. This is my first GA review.

Thank you! I hope you learn a thing or two :) ツLunaEatsTuna (💬)— 21:28, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

@LunaEatsTuna I have left some more comments. —*Fehufangą (✉ Talk · ✎ Contribs) 04:43, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

@LunaEatsTuna Looks good! I will pass this. —*Fehufangą (✉ Talk · ✎ Contribs) 09:01, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Though I am a bit confused on where to categorize this under. I'd appreciate some help with that. —*Fehufangą (✉ Talk · ✎ Contribs) 09:10, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I really appreciate the review! I think Political parties and movements might suit it? ツLunaEatsTuna (💬)— 16:29, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Alright, looks good. —*Fehufangą (✉ Talk · ✎ Contribs) 22:29, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Prose

• Micronation as a word has no basis in international law - "International law" is a duplicate link.

• Removed.

• and George Cruickshank of the Empire of Atlantium - In both instances, "Empire of Atlantium" is a duplicate link.

• Removed both.

• an independent constitutional republic called New Atlantis - "New Atlantis" is a duplicate link.

• Removed.

• In 1964, writer Leicester Hemingway - "Leicester Hemingway" is a duplicate link.

• Removed.

• based his sovereignty on the Guano Islands Act of 1856 - "Guano Islands Act of 1856" is a duplicate link

• Removed.

• engage in intermicronational diplomacy - Diplomacy is a replink

• Removed.

• The study of micronationalism is known as micropatriology or micropatrology. - This doesn't seem like it fits in the section "Legality".

• You're right—removed.

• Several intermicronational organisations also exist - No need to link "organisations".

• Removed.

• delayed due to the COVID-19 pandemic - "COVID-19 pandemic" is a duplicate link

• Removed.

• held at Dangar Island, Sydney - "Dangar Island" and "Sydney" are duplicate links.

• Removed.

• "with many country pages [on MicroWiki] longer than those of real nations [on Wikipedia]," - Consider adding a ref for this quotation separately.

• Good idea; done.

• They claimed to be the princesses of the historical Sunda Empire - Change the Sunda Empire link (which is actually a link to the micronation), to Sunda Kingdom? I remember when this went viral here a few years ago.

• Changed. I have heard about this from some Indonesian micronationalists who locally call it the 2020 Indonesian micronations shock.

• and hosted by the Principality of Aigues-Mortes - "Principality of Aigues-Mortes" is a duplicate link.

• Removed.

• The documentary explored various micronations around the world, and included - The comma before "and" should be removed.

• Removed.

• off the coast of Scotland, and declared - The comma before "and" should be removed.

• Removed.

• various micronations around the world, and included - The comma before "and" should be removed.

• Removed.

• do not involve terra nullius, and are not subject - The comma before "and" should be removed.

• Removed.

• was founded in 2014, and is run - The comma before "and" should be removed.

• Removed.

• I noticed that the information about Hemingway's micronation in the section "Libertarian micronations and seasteading projects: 1964–1972" is repeated in the "Seasteading" section. The former section also has a hatnote that points to the latter.

• I have revamped the whole section; hopefully it looks better now?

References

• The reference L'État c'est moi: Histoire de... is not used anywhere.

• Nice catch! Moved to further reading.

• From a selection of references:
  • 24 and 25: In either sources, I cannot find 1966 as the date of new Atlantis' destruction
    • Added a source which states it was destroyed "within a few years" by a cyclone. No idea where I got 1966 from.
  • 28: Y
  • 42: Y
  • 47: Y
  • 94: Y
  • 111: Y
  • 118: Y
  • 131: This may be a better link, since it doesn't immediately open the print window.
    • Yep—added!
  • 157: Correct me if I am wrong, but this appears to be a self-published source?
    • Removed. Could not seem to find any RS sources mentioning the acronym.

Copyvio

• Quotation to Collins is cited. There are some unavoidable similarities to book titles, but besides that, no concerns.

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 15:17, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that micronations lack the legal basis in international law for their existence? Source: source
  • ALT1: ... that in 1972 one micronation called itself the Republic of Minerva and built a small, artificial island on the Minerva Reefs by importing sand? Source: The Republic of Minerva was a libertarian project that succeeded in building a small, artificial island on the Minerva Reefs in 1972 by importing sand.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Paper House

Improved to Good Article status by LunaEatsTuna (talk). Nominated by Bruxton (talk) at 16:42, 20 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Micronation; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Recent GA, article long enough, hooks are good, though I would propose one more:

• ALT2: ... that micronations have claimed territory in Antarctica, in international waters, and in space?

Otherwise, hooks all cited and no copyvio detected. QPQ done, so good to go. Juxlos (talk) 15:48, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Juxlos that is a very interesting hook too! Bruxton (talk) 19:34, 22 February 2023 (UTC)