Talk:Jay Silverheels

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He had a part in Errol Flynn feature "The Sea Hawk"[edit]

The bio reads that he started in low budget features, but I don't believe "the Sea Hawk" would classify as "low budget". He is listed as Harry Smith and plays the part of a native american brave in Panama who sights Thorpe's ship arriving and tells the Spanish about it. The bio also states that he started in bit parts in the late forties, but Sea Hawk was 1940. I leave it to the original author of this site to figure out how to put that into his bio. Trucker11 (talk) 10:57, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There ought to be a cross reference . . .[edit]

Silverheels ought to be referenced on Wikipedia's page "list of Mohawk people". Actually, so should August Schellenberg. I'd add both of them, but I can't figure out how to edit these "list" pages! Tom129.93.17.229 22:55, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Year of birth[edit]

So when precisely was he born??

imdb gives 26th May but other sources give 26th June and 26th July. Is there a definitive answer?Arcturus 21:22, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Find-A-Grave gives 26th May of 1919, which date is the good one. Lincher 03:17, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

From the Social Security Death Index:

Name: Jay Silverheels

SSN: 134-05-0806

Born: 26 June 1912

State (Year) SSN issued: New York (1936–1950)
Died: March 1980

ZIP code of Last Residence: 91306 (Winnetka, Los Angeles County, California)

ZIP code of Last Benefit: 91306 (Winnetka, Los Angeles County, California)

This is the date that Silverheels himself suplied on his application for a Social Security number. The date of birth must be verified by a birth certificate for a person to receive age-related Social Security benefits.
— Walloon 16:24, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If someone has a link to that, please use it to properly cite the DOB. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.198.107 (talk) 11:27, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Birthplace[edit]

Six Nations Indian Reserve, Brantford, Ontario is what is written on the article in two places. Brantford isn't in Six Nations and Six Nations isn't in Brantford. He is on the List of people from Brantford article and the Ohsweken article. Searching on Google, I could only find the Six Nations Indian Reserve, Brantford, Ontario . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wuffyz (talk • contribs) 02:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused. The Six Nations Indian Reserve is right next to Brantford, Ontario, according to every map I've seen. See Six Nations 40, Ontario. The reservation is directly southeast of Brantford, maybe three or four miles only from the city center of Brantford. Try http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=m&lat=43.129585&lon=-80.168355&mag=6&trf=0&q1=brantford%2C%20ontario Brantford would be the postal address, most likely. Monkeyzpop (talk) 02:57, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ohsweken has it's own post office and I measured 4.5 miles to it from the part of Six Nations that is closest to Brantford. But still, he would have to have been born in either one or the other. Wuffyz (talk) 14:10, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Did Ohsweken have its own post office when Silverheels was born? At any rate, Brantford is what he himself always said. Monkeyzpop (talk) 01:04, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality and ethnicity restored as per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(biographies)#Opening_paragraph[edit]

Etchnicity is allowed when, and this is directly quoted from MOS Opening Paragraph, "it is relevant to the subject's notability." Silverheels not only portrayed a Native American but his life was defined by one. To deny his ethnicity in lede would be to deny his notability. ----moreno oso (talk) 14:28, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, my mistake. Thanks for fixing it. Rossrs (talk) 00:24, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

TV Career[edit]

Something is screwed up in the last paragraph (at least one reference is apparently incorrectly terminated). I would fix it, but references are a sticking point with me, so I will leave it to someone more accomplished.--Mfwills (talk) 11:09, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Advertising for the International Harvester Scout?[edit]

Recently someone removed from the article a Youtube clip of a commercial made by Silverheels for the 1970 Chevrolet Blazer, a sort of an offroad vehicle. You can find the URL of the clip in the edit history. If we believe the clip, the car involved was a Chevrolet product, not called either a jeep or a scout. I can't find anything on the web which indicates he advertised for the International Harvester Scout. I've removed that claim from the article until such time as a reference can be found. The confusion with a jeep is understandable; the jeep must have been a competitor of the Blazer and the International Harvester Scout. EdJohnston (talk) 18:17, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Silverheels first Native Americans to play N/A ?[edit]

Was Jay Silverheels one of the first Native Americans to play one in popular culture?

This enamored my sister and I to the Lone Ranger, as it broke stereotypes. Even though Tonto rode point for the Ranger, and often got townspeoples' discrimination and a beating!

I note even John Wayne still employed Bruce Cabot in Big Jake as late as 1971 to play a native American; Sam Sharpnose. Cabot looks about as Indian as I do!

[1] 65.129.176.4 (talk) 15:17, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Ref: Wiki; Bruce Cabot/John Wayne/Big Jake

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Early life sentence is confusing[edit]

"He was a grandson of Mohawk Chief A.G. Smith and Mary Wedge, and one of the 11 children of Captain Alexander George Edwin Smith, MC, Cayuga, and his wife Mabel Phoebe Doxtater, also a Mohawk."

This makes no sense. Way too many commas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.232.132.255 (talk) 05:22, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tonto via Toronto: The Rise and Fall of Jay Silverheels[edit]

Sirlaugh’s Blog March 24, 2009

verify ?

69.181.23.220 (talk) 08:52, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Love American Style episode[edit]

I added an ambiguous tag since it is unclear whether she was pleading for him to undertake the trial or not. Anyone know? Springnuts (talk) 10:14, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Selected filmography not selected enough[edit]

The filmography says it is "selected". I would think we should not have any uncredited entry in a production we lack an article for. I also do not think we never every bit part apperance by Silverheels had a role as a Native American not further identified. Even an uncredited role that is more clearly identfied than this, is worth keeping, but I do not think we need all those roles. One possible question to ask is Is his character at all memorable. I have doubts for example that the Too Many Girls role is worth including, although maybe I should hold full judgement until watching that film again. I only saw it once around 25 years ago.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:48, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Link misdirect[edit]

Under the Career heading, where it says Indian Paint (1964) with Johnny Crawford, the hyperlink takes you to an article about a species of Goosefoot weed, whose red berries were used as dye...very interesting, but nothing to do with Jay Silverheel's movie. 47.197.91.40 (talk) 14:10, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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