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Former good articleCoil (band) was one of the Music good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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DateProcessResult
December 30, 2006Peer reviewReviewed
February 6, 2007Good article nomineeListed
March 26, 2007Featured article candidateNot promoted
July 26, 2009Good article reassessmentDelisted
Current status: Delisted good article

Questions[edit]

I hope someone can help me out, I have two tracks "An Apology" and "An Egyptian Apology Mix" which are 0.59 and 3:18 long respectively, does anyone know what album/ep/single etc they appeared on?

Also, I have the "Rape" EP, with the following tracks, so if anyone wants to add that to the discography page.

  • A1- Rape 4:50
  • A2- Thank You 6:17 (I think my copy is incomplete, not sure though
  • B1- Black Action 3:14
  • B2- An Absolute 4:08

Thanks.

older entries[edit]

Please don't turn every link on this page into a separate, one- or two-sentence stub. Things like the Eskaton and ELpH can be explained perfectly well within this article. They'll just get lost otherwise. - DavidWBrooks 19:23, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I agree completely. Also, the list of techniques could be improved by providing 24some example peices from their body of work, couldn't it? Logickal 24:55 09 Dec 2005 I agree on providing some examples or source of info.

Though most of the things mentioned are from interviews. I haven't heard the EVP one before...Sinewaves23

I am a little confused that the article says that Jhonn and Peter founded Zos Kia when i am under the impression that it was a John Gosling and Balance project (Zos Kia also have a 12" Be Like Me on Temple records credited, I believe, only to Gosling.) According to the liner notes of Tranparent Peter provided technical support (tape loops, etc. for the "Slow fade to transparency") for Zos Kia and Coil itself, before he and Jhonn settled on working together officially. Also on the subject of reissues, the Unnatural History series served the purpose of making some rare works availible, what did they release like that in 2003? Does anyone have any comments or info? I am new around here and still unfamiliar with editing protocal, so I don't think i'll be jumping into editing just yet. But I would like to contribute to this page. Duneul

CoH[edit]

Someone who is more informed about CoH needs to make an article about him. CoH usually links to City of Heroes, which isn't helpful.--Sinewaves23 06:36, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

CoH (musician) added
  • same with drew mcdowall
Drew McDowall more than less covered AlexOvShaolin 20:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

unnatural history covers[edit]

i've uploaded serveral unnatural history covers for both part two and three and can't get them to display. if someone could take care of that, it would be great. i didn't have a problem up until now with getting album art to be displayed.

done

Coil discog needs own article[edit]

i'm going to move the coil discog stuff into its own article, stuff can still be added, like a more comprehensive list of compilations they appeared on and stuff they remixed. AlexOvShaolin 02:46, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like a good idea, Coil's catalog is big enough that it'd distract from the rest of the article as a whole. Twiin 10:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
done AlexOvShaolin 23:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Creative Methods and Influence MUST be referenced[edit]

Okay guys, i'm taking some extensive effort to dig though EVERY Coil interview I can find and any unreferenced "Creative Method" and "Influence" will either be sourced or deleted at the end. --AlexOvShaolin 16:52, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I removed Electronic Voice Phenomenon because this article explicitly states they do NOT use it: http://www.forteantimes.com/articles/142_coil.shtml --AlexOvShaolin 22:51, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GA Nomination[edit]

Before this article is reviewed for good article status, make sure to add fair use rationales to all copyrighted images. ShadowHalo 04:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

done. --AlexOvShaolin 00:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You've done a great job on this, AlexOvShaolin. Fantastic work. Twiin 03:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
thanx dude. --AlexOvShaolin 05:14, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I passed article. However, as a side note, please expand some sections or better yet merge them with others. Thank you. Pembroke 19:55, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
already getting to work. --AlexOvShaolin 20:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
i was satisfying some nostalgia and visited this article. i was blown away by structure. great job everyone, this is really a good article. The undertow 06:21, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

lyrics link[edit]

this cannot be linked, it is copywritten material, i certainly dont like the policy, but i dont want it to interrupt the FA nomination. --AlexOvShaolin 21:08, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

FA failed :( link the lyrics back if you want, i wont remove them again. --AlexOvShaolin 06:27, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

death of john balance[edit]

While the death of John Balance takes a (rightfully) large portion of the Coil entry, I'm a little puzzled about the posting of a picture of Balance in his his coffin at his funeral. It doesn't seem appropriate, as most celebrity or band pages don't feature a picture of dead people. It doesn't seem necessary, as I don't think anyone is contesting whether or not he is dead. It doesn't seem useful, as it doesn't illustrate any particular point in the article, as other photos do. It just seems gratuitous and tasteless. I'll leave this to experienced editors to hash out.76.226.146.199 06:00, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This picture was made widely available by Christopherson after the funeral. If he doesn't have a problem with it, then I don't see why anyone else should. In addition, I think the non-standard nature of the picture (and the burial itself) have resonances with Balance's pagan beliefs which make it an important image in relation to the man's death. --Richardrj talk email 08:29, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
How does whether or not he, his bandmates, or his family has a problem with it affect either its gratuitousness and its irrelevance? There's nothing in the article about the "non-standard nature" of his funeral. There's just a picture of his corpse in his casket. Any such material, along with the picture, might be a lot more in context on his actual bio page. But again, this is a page about the band Coil. To move the photo to the John Balance page would improve both the Coil page and the John Balance page. If this were about adding material to the page, I'd just do it, but I'm not eager to remove material without either having a real WP account or having more than a toe in the community. (same author as parent of comment)24.192.186.101 01:54, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Coil was anything BUT a standard band, yet their work was distributed via the conventional music industry mechanisms. Something of this idiosyncrasy is expressed in this photograph of a non-standard man surrounded by the standard ritual after the end of his life.

The photo is not offered as proof of his death -- it would't serve as such anyway, as he looks like he's sleeping peacefully. There's not a single photo of a performer or artist in the entire wiki that isn't arguably "gratuitous," as most are only there to show you what the performer looks like. What is the real need of that?

This one shows you what Balance looked like when freshly dead. It may not be "necessary," but its no more gratuitous than any other celeb photo. Wikipedia has no mandate to cater to the easily offended, nor to those made uncomfortable by the fact of death. 71.48.42.145 (talk) 11:36, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Missing band image[edit]

Would it be at all possible for somebody to replace the photo of the last line-up of the group that used to sit at the top of the article? Surely that image would prove very useful for anyone who wants to know what the COIL members look(ed) like?

What is with this unruly mania for people just removing photos from articles all over the shop? How then is anybody supposed to know what the people featured look like? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.31.180.100 (talk) 15:32, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

the removal is done by admins who apparently feel that it is possible to somehow dig up a CC/GPL pic of all the band members. imma add another pic up with a good Fair use rationale, but i wont be surprised if it gets taken down. --AlexOvShaolin 19:47, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On a slightly related note, the supposed promotional band photo of Coil from the LSD era which can be seen here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coil_%28band%29#Scatology.2C_Horse_Rotorvator.2C_and_Love.27s_Secret_Domain_.281984.E2.80.931992.29) is actually that of a copper coil. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.97.160.175 (talk) 14:31, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Avant-garde?[edit]

Could Coil be considered an avant-garde band? I mean, there are bands such as Einstürzende Neubauten which (in my opinion) produce similar music to Coil. I could be wrong, but I'd like to hear some opinions. --Wiz-Pro3 (talk) 20:13, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Coil are generally associated with the first wave of industrial music, as Throbbing Gristle or SPK. Einstürzende Neubauten also generally get counted with these, but deny any affiliation in interviews. Although it is obvious there is a stylistic relation, considering their early albums. 195.46.247.31 (talk) 14:54, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment[edit]

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Coil (band)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

Starting GA reassessment as part of the GA Sweeps process. Jezhotwells (talk) 16:52, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Checking against GA criteria[edit]

In order to uphold the quality of Wikipedia:Good articles, all articles listed as Good articles are being reviewed against the GA criteria as part of the GA project quality task force. While all the hard work that has gone into this article is appreciated, unfortunately, as of July 26, 2009, this article fails to satisfy the criteria, as detailed below. For that reason, the article has been delisted from WP:GA. However, if improvements are made bringing the article up to standards, the article may be nominated at WP:GAN. If you feel this decision has been made in error, you may seek remediation at WP:GAR.

  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose):
    • As the peacock banner placed in April 2009 suggests, this article needs a thorough clean up to meet GA standards. Jezhotwells (talk)
    b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references):
    • I found and fixed a number of deadlinks using CheckLinks. Ref #1 [1] links to an empty page; The Fortean Times link, ref #29 [2] remains dead. Most of the links to Brainwashed are incorrectly cited - either reference the original source or or attribute them to Brainwashed;
    b (citations to reliable sources):
    c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its scope.
    a (major aspects):
    b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
    • Please look at the peacock terms and some weasel words. Jezhotwells (talk) 17:22, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):
    b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
    • There are too many non-free rair use images, consider reducing to two or three
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
    • I am delisting this as there are a large number of issued to be addressed. Jezhotwells (talk) 17:22, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Excessive use of non-free content.[edit]

Most editors wouldn't object to the use of one or maybe two non-free items to illustrate this article, say a picture and a sound clip. But there are eight non-free pictures and three non-free sound clips. That's excessive by any measure. I'd suggest choosing one or two or maybe even three pieces to keep and getting the rest deleted. The most likely alternative is that they'll start getting deleted at random. Angus McLellan (Talk) 19:56, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Picture[edit]

Where did the band pic go? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.139.210.196 (talk) 19:16, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Different band named Coil[edit]

I'm moving this content here, about a different band with the same name, that was added to the top of this article. It belongs in an article of its own, if the band meets notability requirements (Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles). Thanks much

The first band called Coil was formed in late 1978 in Northampton and is playing and recording today. The band played venues in and around the town and then regularly in London Rock Garden Covent Garden, and Music Machine, Camden) and in Brighton (The Dome). Coil released a double A single ‘ Motor Industry/Alcoholstaark’ on Wood Hill records in 1979. Coil played with Bauhaus as they emerged from Art school in 1979 and played several John Peel road shows with bands like Bauhaus and Crass at The Paddocks, Harpole. Peel had a history of running gigs around pubs in Northampton that went back to the 60s (e.g. Nag’s Head Wollaston). In 1980 Tom Robinson placed Coil’s single in the top ten of all time greats in Smash Hits magazine in 1980 and then reviewed the track again in October 2010. Coil produced a soundtrack for a film Nessuno Piace un Cervellone in 1986. Phil Dann started Meltdown records in 1991, produced and recorded DJ Dougal, Clarkee, DJ Phantasy and Carl Cox on the Dreamscape productions and wrote and produced Denise Gordon’s "Wait for your love/Friends" - single of the month in June 1992 Blues and Soul and front page news on Echoes in 1992e Coil’s first album, How do I love thee? Is scheduled for release on Meltdown in June 2011.

-- Foetusized (talk) 17:42, 6 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a fan page. There are many other online platforms for fandom.[edit]

I have revisited this page repeatedly because fans of Coil, Christopherson and Balance are avidly editing the page so that it becomes a memorial to the deceased members. I do not deny that this is a worthwhile cause for those who continue to mourn their deaths and immerse themselves in everything Coil-related; however, the incorrect platform has been selected. From a cursory search, Coil fans have innumerable opportunities to declare their devotion to the project of a former advertising contractor, who provided the music to numerous advertisements, even though many fans insist that they are hardened anarchist-types. Anyhow, I have nothing against the band, and in fact own some recordings, but the integrity of Wikipedia is my priority here. If the other online opportunities around the web are not sufficient, may I recommend fan-club gatherings that would please both members, as they would not negatively impact on others? That is, Coil fans would be adopting a respectful mindset when expressing their fandom. Thanks. Regards,--Soulparadox (talk) 15:39, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The article may deserve better rating, but I cannot rate it higher than B, until it goes at least through a GAC review.--Yannismarou 20:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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