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Neutrality[edit]

This article glorifies Jacksonian democracy, while not talking about modern historians' characterizing it as a period of mob rule, demagogy and racism, as it actually was. In reality, there was nothing 'Democratic' about Jackson. This article presents information in the way that a campaign volunteer for Jackson himself might.Van Gulik (talk) 17:21, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever -- it could be considered to have aspects of "Herrenvolk democracy", but the disproportionate political influence of certain entrenched elites was diminished, and significant progress was made towards the proclaimed goal of deciding things based on "universal white manhood suffrage". It fell short according to modern standards, but in making what was then the most democratic non-small-scale government in the world even more democratic than it had previously been, it was a significant moment in history...AnonMoos (talk) 09:53, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, it lacks balance. Before my last edit, the article did not mention African-Americans or Native Americans. It did not mention the open racism of Andrew Jackson's administration and the limits on democracy. I've added a couple of sentences, but the article deserves a thorough criticism section. As written, it does glorify Jacksonian Democracy.--TM 13:24, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think that Jacksonian democracy is (an example of) Herrenvolk democracy, full stop. Most of the coastal states – Virginia, Georgia and South Carolina never allowed any free black voting – had before 1800 allowed a small number of free blacks to vote, but by 1840 no state outside the older-settled, natural-resource-poorer Northeast did so. Moreover, as restrictions on white voting were removed, free people of color became more rigidly excluded de jure. luokehao, 21 December 2020, 13:51 (UTC)

Capital D Jacksonian Democracy[edit]

In the 19th century "the Democracy" was a synonym for the Democratic Party, so "Jacksonian Democracy" meant Jackson's Democratic Party. see William Safire (2008). Safire's Political Dictionary. Oxford U.P. pp. 203–. Also "The Democracy proclaimed itself in favor of the 'pay as you go' policy.'" (1839) from {William Safire (1972). The new language of politics: a dictionary of catchwords, slogans, and political usage. Collier Books. p 485. Therefore the term should be capitalized in the title. Rjensen (talk) 03:42, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would oppose this. "Jacksonian democracy" is actually a modern historians' term which refers to the convergence of a number of societal and historical trends -- not just narrowly to a political organization. AnonMoos (talk) 09:41, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lead reduction[edit]

Drdpw, thank you for your good faith copyediting of the lead section. Could you write a brief synopsis of what was removed in the process? It is hard to see with a diff. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 20:15, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Stevietheman, sorry about that. Looking at the diff I see that splitting the opening paragraph made comparing before & after difficult. Most modifications were simple wording changes, though some were made in order to remove redundant sentences or similar sentences (also added Template:Democracy).
Jacksonian democracy was a political movement during the Second Party System a 19th century political philosophy in the United States that espoused greater democracy for the common man, as that term was then defined, symbolized by American politician . Originating with President Andrew Jackson and his supporters., it became the nation's dominant political worldview for a generation. (split formerly single paragraph) The Jacksonian Era This era, called the Jacksonian Era (or Second Party System) by historians and political scientists, lasted roughly from Jackson's 1828 election as president until the slavery issue became dominant slavery became the dominant issue after 1854 and the American Civil War dramatically reshaped American politics as the Third Party System emerged. Jackson's policies followed the era of Jeffersonian democracy which dominated the previous political era. When It emerged when the Democratic-Republican Party of the Jeffersonians became factionalized in the 1820s, during the early-to-mid 1820s. Jackson's supporters began to form what would become the modern Democratic Party . They fought the rival Adams and Anti-Jacksonian factions, which by 1834 emerged as the Whigs , and supporter's of his political rival, John Quincy Adams, began to form what would become the Whig Party. Jacksonian democracy eventually disintegrated in the 1850s with the increasing prominence of slavery as a national issue, which eventually led to a split in the Democratic Party.
More broadly, the term refers to the era of the Second Party System (mid-1830s–1854) Broadly speaking, the era was characterized by a democratic spirit. It can be contrasted with the characteristics of Jeffersonian democracy., and built upon Jackson's equal political policy became known as "Jacksonian Democracy", (subsequent to ending what he termed a "monopoly" of government by elites). Jeffersonians opposed inherited elites but favored educated men while the Jacksonians gave little weight to education. The Whigs were the inheritors of Jeffersonian Democracy in terms of promoting schools and colleges.Even before the Jacksonian era began, suffrage had been extended to a majority of white male adult citizens, a result the Jacksonians celebrated.(merged previously separate paragraphs)In contrast to the Jeffersonian era,. Jacksonian democracy also promoted the strength of the presidency and executive branch at the expense of Congress, while also seeking to broaden the public's participation in government. The Jacksonians demanded elected (not appointed) judges and rewrote many state constitutions to reflect the new values. In national terms they favored geographical expansion, justifying it in terms of Manifest Destiny. There was usually a consensus among both Jacksonians and Whigs that battles over slavery should be avoided.
Hopefully this helps clarify the "what" & "why" of my edit. Cheers. Drdpw (talk) 22:16, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Women's rights[edit]

For better or worse, the historical fact is that women's rights weren't even on the political radar until the very end of this period (very much unlike Native American and slavery issues, which were politically debated, and ruled on by the courts). There were some stirrings on the part of foreign radicals (Frances Wright, Robert Owen) or advanced intellectuals (Margaret Fuller), but they had no real impact on society at large. It wasn't until 1848, with the Seneca Falls convention, and the passage of the first of the married women's property acts (in NY state), that the women's rights remotely started to become part of politics... AnonMoos (talk) 15:57, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense to leave it out of the lead then. Whizz40 (talk) 05:10, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Douglas[edit]

Rjensen, the article has 1848 as the year that Jacksonian democracy ended. My contention is that by the time Douglas became a major figure, the movement was over. Jackson was dead and had been dead. The overarching concern in national politics was slavery, which for the most part wasn't a big issue during Jackson's presidency. Douglas certainly was one of the foremost figures in 1850s politics, but not in the Jacksonian era. The 1850s cannot properly be considered part of the Jacksonian era. Display name 99 (talk) 23:57, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The article gives no cites for choosing 1848--that would leave a 'dead' period of six years until the Third Party System formed in 1854. Lee Benson was the pioneer here in 1957, naming the period and dating it 1827 through 1853. See Lee Benson (2015). The Concept of Jacksonian Democracy: New York as a Test Case. p. 128. More recently we have Joel Silbey with the "The Jacksonian–Whig Synthesis" ending in 1854; see Joel H Silbey (2009). The American Party Battle: election campaign pamphlets, 1828-1876. HarvardUP. p. 167. The Democrats were doing very well indeed in 1852 and considered themselves Jacksonians. In 1854 the new Know Nothing and Republican parties emerged, the Free Soilers and the Whigs collapsed--a dramatic end point.Rjensen (talk) 00:46, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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