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Introductory paragraph[edit]

A couple of comments: the introductory paragraph has a bit of a 'cheerleader' feel to it, and maybe isn't wholly accurate (the series is more expensive than Inter.F3000). Also, the 2005 Season section feels gramatically akward for some reason. I fixed up the Luizzi information (until Europe starts it's unconfirmed if he will actually rotate with Klein, or maybe move to Sauber) to be at-this-time accurate, but it still needs help I think. Kurohone 15:06, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • I agree, but it is designed to be affordable for teams, and I couldn't think is any better way to word it without completely omitting that point. Hedley 15:38, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • I know, that's why I didn't try it myself! Kurohone 18:31, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Well I don't think the opening is "too cheerleader", but I do think it should compare GP2 to Champ Car as well as F1. The article states that GP2 cars can run within 5 seconds of F1 cars, but Champ Cars run within 3 seconds of F1 cars (with the old engine rules mind you). Mustang6172

Category: GP2[edit]

As I've stated on the 'speedy deletion' box for that category, it seems strange to have a category for a single series of cars when a) there's only one article in it so far and b) 'Auto Racing' would be sufficient. --Psyk0 19:35, 16 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

General Updates[edit]

This page is horribly outdated, some of it written before the start of the '05 season. I'll update some, but I don't know enough about it to go over it fully. The 2005 season paragraph needs to be removed or changed for the current season.

EDIT: Actually, screw that: I propose this is merged with both the 2005 GP2 Series season and the 2006 GP2 Series season articles, as they are all highly similar and serve pretty much the same purpose.

Thoughts?--Helmetlad 14:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It ought to be feasible to build this article and its related championship season articles up to at least the standard of the DTM articles. I'll bring the subject to the attention of other members of WikiProject Motorsport Adrian M. H. 17:58, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox details[edit]

I have provisionally opted to list the number of drivers and teams in terms of the total number of competitors in the 2006 season - 30 and 13 - but it might be better to list them only in terms of entries at the start of the season - ie, the official entry list, without replacements/changes. That approach may be better as it will reflect the maximum number of entries. Please contribute to the relevant discussion at WP:MOTOR. Once the 2007 season entry list has been confirmed, these figures should be updated accordingly and in line with the prevailing consensus. - Adrian M. H. 18:18, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

TV coverage[edit]

Is there a reason why it's important to note that coverage is NOT on NBC Sports? (As far as I recall, it never was on there to begin with - always Speed Channel in the USA/Canada.) Duncan1800 (talk) 07:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have updated section to reflect change from ITV4 to Setanta Sports. davepusey (talk) 12:52, 3 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.105.240.185 (talk) [reply]

American equilant?[edit]

would this be considered like the Nationwide series to the Sprint Cup? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.129.155.87 (talk) 19:47, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More like Indy Lights to Indycar, or previously, Atlantics to Champcar. No drivers race GP2 Series and F1 simultaneously, unlike in NASCAR. BleuDXXXIV (talk) 07:24, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New template[edit]

I created this template on the line of F1 Team template Template:GP2_team. it works good. Can be used for GP2 Main, GP2 Asia and Other series of these teams

Bye Giagi —Preceding unsigned comment added by Giagi (talk • contribs) 20:29, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Driver Restrictions[edit]

After listening to the BBC Red Button/Radio 5 commentary during practice sessions this year, Ian Phillips (Force India director of business affairs) has mentioned a few times they wanted to put their test driver (in this case, Luizzi) in a GP2 car, but were unable to do so because (something like) 'he's raced in F1 too much/too recently' - or something along those lines. This would lead me to believe there is a defined amount of F1 running a driver can do before being not allowed to race GP2. However, despite searching through the official GP2 site and other similar sites, I cannot find mention of this! If anyone knows of anywhere where this information is, could they perhaps post a link? I think it would be a useful piece of information to add to the article if we can find a suitable (and correct!) source! Oli.meggitt (talk) 10:45, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have also read that a champion of this series cannot return. I can't find anything official on this(GP2 does not seem to be regulated by FIA. 2015 GP2 Series#Driver changes mentions "Jolyon Palmer will not return to defend his title as, under the series regulations, a driver is not allowed to continue in the series once they have won the championship" with a bbc article as the source. I've heard many times from media that GP2 does not allow returning champions but I can't find the official rules/regulations. They might not be public as Bernie owns the series. If anyone has a good source for the official regualations I'd like to add this info to the page as it an important fact of the series.Mrebus (talk) 09:34, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Article 19.1, directly from the sporting regulations:

19.1 Each team must have nominated its two drivers to GP2 at least 10 days prior to the first Event, GP2 will then publish a complete list. Any driver who previously won the GP2 Series Championship or any driver who completed a full season inthe FIA Formula One World Championship will not be permitted to participate in the Series.

GP2 isn't run by the FIA, it's run by the Formula One Group, but it is still regulated by them. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to require the regulations being easily accessible. QueenCake (talk) 18:26, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

GP2 Car technical specifications[edit]

I'd like to propose moving the technical specifications about the GP2 car to its own article. Right at the moment it is a large list-like clutter, and worryingly for the article's readability it is right up the top of the article where the first section after the lede should be the description of what GP2 is and represents. Technical specifications of the race car is basically appendix style data, and if not under its own article then at the very least it should be pushed to the bottom. Intend to perform similar operation with the GP3 article. Thoughts? --Falcadore (talk) 00:04, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd suggest putting it at the very bottom of this article. For a spec series like this, it does seem appropriate to have a set of specs in the article, and I wouldn't think it was notable enough to have its own article. Who would search WP for the specs alone? I assume we would use the specifications of the latest incarnation? 4u1e (talk) 00:34, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK then - how about a re-organisation that looks like this?
1. GP2 Series & Role (new section)
1.1 Progression to Formula One - Prose version of the table to highlight the succesful graduates and a prominent link to List of GP2 drivers. The List article could much more successfully highlight those drivers who graduate to F1.
2. Race weekend
2.1 Points system
3. Seasons - re-write as History and make season links less intrusive - those season links are in the champions table and the template at the bottom
4. Televsion rights
5. Series Champions
6. Drivers graduated to F1
7. See also
8. References
9. External links
Thoughts? --Falcadore (talk) 01:00, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Doing some copy-editing, I see this section has been left dry for a while. I support moving the specs of the series down, summarizing quickly in the section 1 heading, and adding a 7. Specifications with 7.1 Current 2011-16 containing what 1.1 contains today. Might give that a shot when I finish copy-editing, if I have the time. If not, I'll return and do it later unless anyone objects violently. Also, anyone know if the Pertamina Fastron lubricant deal Rio Haryanto had was exclusive to him? If so, that would apply only for 2012-15, which should be noted (or at least that it ended in 2015, i.e. is not in effect today). Further, the specifications mention "upgrades", implying an upgrade from previous specifications. Anyone have knowledge/resource for these? Would be nice to add after moving the section, at least in brief form to illustrate what they moved from, and not just what they moved to. Bgoslo (talk) 04:44, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Drivers graduated to GP2[edit]

Just wondering why Sakon Yamamoto isn't included in the table. Much like Timo Glock, he was in F1 before GP2 but then went back so surly that would put him in there? Unless of course i'm missing something here, I know theres a footnote and everything but still. BosleyTree (talk) 21:13, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I take it there's no one against this so i'll add him to the table. BosleyTree (talk) 20:06, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I personally think you haven't graduated to F1 if you've raced there before. This just emphasises that this should be a paragraph describing circumstances rather than a table of data. --Falcadore (talk) 20:14, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If you really think so, mind you i saw this after i made the update, so it can be reverted. BosleyTree (talk) 20:21, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The point should be about how GP2 creates Grand Prix drivers rather than serving as a remedial series. --Falcadore (talk) 20:32, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

New Name -> Formula 2[edit]

FIA announced in their last meeting that GP2 will change their name to Formula 2, or is it that they were going to have a new Formula 2 coexist with current GP2? Does anybody have more info on that?

It simply says the current promoters of GP2 (effectively FOM) are in discussions to run the new Formula Two series. What will happen with GP2 itself remains to be seen. QueenCake (talk) 16:52, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Progression to Formula One paragraph[edit]

The paragraph is subjective and has contradictions. 'The series has as such established itself as a good place to train or recruit future F1 drivers.' is shortly followed by 'It is worth noting that only six of the 26 drivers that went on to race Formula 1 cars were GP2 champions, so there is no direct correlation between winning the GP2 title and earning a seat in F1, either direction.'

Also, 30 of the 174 drivers to ascend to F1 is not a good statistic to have when making the argument of this is 'a good place to train or recruit future F1 drivers.'

Please add sources when making contributions to this paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swagger9000 (talk • contribs) 18:45, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 March 2017[edit]

FIA Formula 2 Championship (2017-) → FIA Formula 2 Championship – Current FIA Formula 2 Championship is a primary meaning, we can't use year for the disambiguation purpose as the article includes earlier years (2005-2016), when the series was known as GP2 Series. Or we should separate articles, but it has less sense as it's exactly the same series under the different moniker. Corvus tristis (talk) 04:04, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I guess we should adhere to the same principle we applied to Champ Car when the series was re-named to IndyCar: New article.--2003:6:2111:EA54:2136:48CE:9800:C90B (talk) 19:27, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A new article would be best. This is more than just a rebrand, we're moving from a privately run motorsport series owned and operated by the Formula One Group that runs under FIA licence, to a championship directly controlled by the FIA, with the commercial rights sub-contracted to the FOG. GP2 has ceased to exist, replaced seamlessly with new-new-Formula Two. Note that we created new articles with the F3000 to GP2 changeover, which worked in much of the same way. QueenCake (talk) 21:46, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I agree with your points and I separated the articles. But "(2017-)" is never used for the disambiguation purposes, I was wrong, when renamed FIA Formula Two Championship to FIA Formula Two Championship (2009-2012) as we show only the one year (year of birth, death, event). So we need to decide, how to name the current championship. FIA Formula 2 Championship (established in 2017) or just FIA Formula 2 Championship. I prefer the last one, as according to page view statistics GP2 Series in the last three months has ten times more page views than defunct FIA Formula Two Championship. Corvus tristis (talk) 08:21, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Could we have this discussion under the relevant heading at WP Motorsport? I'd like to have more people involved if possible as there may not be a simple fix. Holdenman05 (talk) 12:57, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
QueenCake, if that is the case then it would be best to move this article back to "GP2 Series" and to create a new article for the new FIA Formula Two championship. It can contain a background section dealing with, among other things, the links between these championships.Tvx1 19:09, 16 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

GP2 or Formula 2?[edit]

The opening paragraph uses the phrase GP2 a lot. Not just in the past tense, which would be one thing, but in the present tense. "GP2 has made it mandatory..." Do we want to change this so it reflects that GP2 was in the past and that it is now called Formula 2? 104.205.8.141 (talk) 01:13, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Website[edit]

Should we delete the website section? As it now just forwards you to the formula 2 website. 2A00:23C6:9419:E601:6DF2:807:9A41:3AFD (talk) 19:36, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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