Talk:Caribbean stud poker

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OPening comment[edit]

I deleted some wording because it seem to be more of a personal opinion by the user then it is factual information. I have played Caribbean Stud Poker and have done very well in the long run. Just because a few people don't do well in the long run doesn't mean that the game can't be won for an extended period of time, It is just means that the person playing either is inexperienced or just didn't make the right choice when dealt their cards. Misterrick 07:42, 15 January, 2004 (UTC).

I haven't done the math (nor am I bothering to check to see how what you deleted was worded, since it was so long ago), but I know that Caribbean Stud, being a house game, isn't beatable. A gambling game is only beatable if your expectation is positive. Some moves might have positive expectation in Caribbean stud (i.e., you will make/save more money than the casino will by making a certain move), but if so this will be outweighed by situations where no move you can make has a positive expectation. That doesn't mean you can't play 100,000 hands and still end up a winner. You can. It's just not very likely, and the more you play, the less likely it is; over an infinite period of time, you would still lose an infinite amount of money, so in that sense, the game is not beatable. - furrykef (Talk at me) 22:09, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Anonymous: I actually only changed some spellings, I didn't reformat.

DJ Clayworth 17:49, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)

(The following was originally copied from my User talk page. I'm reproducing it here since the discussion pertains to this article. -- Schnee 18:29, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC))

Hello Schneelocke, Could you in the future please not edit my entries, There is a specific reason that I had the Wiki entry Caribbean Stud Poker set in that format. Thank you in advance.

(Note: the above comment was added by User:151.198.138.48) Sorry - having entries you make on Wikipedia edited by other people is something you have to expect, and neither I nor anyone else can or will give you a blanket promise to not edit something you write. If you do have a specific reason why a certain article should be in this or that format, though, you can explain why on the article's talk page (Talk:Caribbean Stud Poker, for example), and a discussion will surely ensue that will hopefully lead to a consensus. ^_~ Also, refer to the manual of style. -- Schnee 18:04, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)

This article seems specific to the rules at one particular casino. For example - is the maximum payout always $5000 at every casino? How about the progressive meter payouts? If these details vary from casino to casino, that should be noted. Axlrosen 22:40, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Don't ask me at least; I only reformatted what the anonymous user mentioned above wrote. -- Schnee 23:14, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)

These articles show significant variation in the details at different casinos:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&domains=http://www.wikipedia.org&selm=sbrecher-2601951122000001%40brecher.reno.nv.us&rnum=1

http://www.genting.com.my/en/casino/caribbean.htm

Axlrosen 21:12, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I added in a bit about the game in the UK - hope its ok. The game itself is extremely boring to deal, so I almost fell asleep when I was writing about it! --Duckymaster 07:38, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've added 'Five-card stud' and 'stud poker' to the See Also section. On the article itself; there's a fair bit in there which is more to do with casino etiquette and procedure, rather than dealing with the game itself. It also has no references whatsoever and is thus unverified. I've played Caribbean Stud and know what the article says is true - it just needs verification since this is an encyclopaedia and citing sources is a fundamental cornerstone of Wikipedia. I suspect this will need major editting and a lot of rewriting - although some areas (such as the UK procedure) only need some references while others need a complete overhaul. I've done a fair bit of work on the Five-card stud page and I think this might be a potential future project for me.Erdles 18:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Big Win[edit]

According to a dutch newssite, someone won big playing this game. Last tuesday night (2008-05-20), he went home with 986.622,12 euro. [1] Worth mentioning? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.172.180.130 (talk) 12:24, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In some casinos you are allowed to discuss your cards[edit]

I'm not sure if the game described in this article is the same as the one i played, but they seem to have really nice rules in some casinos. I was in two casinos in Varna, Bulgaria and Bukarest, Rumania where discussing your cards actually was allowed. Everyone was showing their cards. Also it had the option to buy a new card for the price of the ante, and even a second one for twice the ante. Buying cards forfeit the bonus though, which you probably shouldn't play anyway. (I did however, and got four of a kind in Bukarest :)) Because everyone was discussing their cards it also turned it into a very lively (though slow) game. Joepnl (talk) 10:19, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dated[edit]

This article may be a bit dated. At both Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods in Connecticut, USA, it's played more like that as described in the "Caribbean Stud Poker in the United Kingdom" section. The $1 progressive chip is placed on an indented circle on the table that lights up when the chip is put there. The ante bet is then made. The cards are cut, shuffled once and placed into a machine that counts the total number of cards and then counts out packs of five cards each that the dealer puts down in front of players. The last pack is the dealer's five cards where the first card (the card at the bottom of the pack) is turned over and placed face up on top of the pack. When that card is revealed, bettors can look at their cards. The remaining cards are then placed in a compartment on the dealer's left and a placeholder card is placed on top of the deck. Players either bet or not bet at the rate of 2x the ante. The dealer removes the cards of the non-bettors and collects the ante and then turns over his/her cards. The removed cards are placed on top of the placeholder card in the dealer's compartment. Then the dealer examines each bettors' cards, paying off winners and taking the chips of the losers. There's no slots to put the progressive bet into, and the dealer does not deal the cards out and then push them to the players as is described. I should also mention that at Mohegan, the dealers don't mind players showing each other their cards, so it pays to be friendly with your neighbors at the table. Danpetitpas (talk) 20:09, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

History section is a complete mess.[edit]

Seriously, this history section is a veritable joke. It should present the most straight forward version of the history as possible, not present three contradictory version. What is this, Rashomon? Considering it lacks sources, I think readers are better served by removing it totally. oknazevad (talk) 17:04, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The history is colorful and paints an accurate representation of the various stories about how the game came into being. I promise that the history of the united states as painted with varying versions of the truth. 198.71.121.238 (talk) 00:23, 20 December 2018 (UTC) Anonymous updater[reply]