Talk:hide (musician)

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Pronounciation[edit]

While /hi.de/ may be correct, do you really expect someone who doesn't know Japanese pronounciations to go to that page and look up how it's supposed to be pronounced? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.107.130.33 (talk) 13:49, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's the idea behind a hyperlinked encyclopedia, yes. There is also little sense in using something a US newspaper once printed, rather than using a system like the International Phonetic Alphabet, just to be accommodating to a certain subset of readers (keep in mind that English pronunciation varies, even between countries were it is the official language). - Cyrus XIII (talk) 16:31, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The museum?[edit]

There was a museum dedicated to hide after the time of his death that had to close a few years ago due to funding issues. Can we get a mention of that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.195.120.63 (talk) 10:33, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Of course. Either go ahead and add the information, accompanied by a reliable source or provide a source here and I'll be glad to integrate it into the article. - Cyrus XIII (talk) 16:31, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalization discussion at the manual of style[edit]

For all interested parties, there is a discussion going on right now at the Manual of Style about whether or not to capitalize people's names against their wishes (like hide, for example). --Irn (talk) 18:10, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like the discussion has finally landed on the side of NOT capitalizing names against someone's wishes. I hope this means we can FINALLY change this page's stuff to "hide" out of some level of respect for the subject's wishes. TVTropes wiki allows this: this Wiki should as well. 75.17.143.32 (talk) 06:59, 6 December 2009 (UTC)A Groupie[reply]


About caps, what's reported as official fan site says it's fully capitalized (always). Why does this contracdict wikipedia's statement ?

http://www.hide-city.com/english/profile/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.194.132.70 (talk) 13:33, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Personal Life[edit]

Why is their no personal life section. He has a brother named Hiroshi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lord-Of-Machines (talk • contribs) 13:21, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I distinctly remember several sources mentioning Hideto as being bisexual and having romantic feelings for Yoshiki, but I can't find the sources off-hand. Can anyone find some? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.66.190.44 (talk) 00:52, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Death.[edit]

When he died, there were tons of reports of fans committing suicide, but no mention of it here. There's still lots of articles about it on the web. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.77.255 (talk) 01:30, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

i dont get that[edit]

Sorry for asking, but as a non native speaker i dont get this phrase:

making it the only original studio album to bear the Hide with Spread Beaver handle

That far i've fiddled out that "Spread Beaver" is the first track on the "Ja, Zoo" album. track=handle? or might this resemble rather to some (handy) logo used on the album, or even to the title design (a caged human in a cat suite and cat alike posing). Maybe there is some other meaning of all that wording. Please explain and if possible make the article more readable. Thanks. --Alexander.stohr (talk) 13:20, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just re-read that paragraph and looked at some other articles, and it appears to me that Spread Beaver is the name of the band he toured with and that he did not formally acknowledge them on his first two solo albums, but on his last "solo" album (Ja, Zoo), the artist is listed not just as "hide" but as "hide with Spread Beaver". I agree that the above wording is fairly confusing, so I went ahead and added some punctuation and clarification to hopefully make it make more sense. -- Irn (talk) 16:09, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Concern about sources, possible wp:OR and wp:SYNTH[edit]

Can someone with a good grasp of wp:rs, wp:or, and wp:synth please take a good look at this article, especially the sources? The overwhelming number of the sources are from the official fan site [1]. There are also photographs [1][2], musical scores [2][3], merchandising websites [4], and apparently someone watching a concert [5] are used as sources.

The only "good" sources seem the be the asiaweek.com article, as well as a NYT online article [6][7] , both of which focus primarily on his death. Something, it seems, should be done, but I'm not sure what. Thanks, The Eskimo (talk) 19:53, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Possibly a redirect to X Japan where mention of his death can be made in a separate section with the good sources?
Although it says it is the official "fan club" website, it is basically his official site period, as Headwax Organization owns and operates it. So I think sources from that site should be accepted. But I agree, the photos of his relatives should go, as should the sources of "someone watching a concert DVD", and the merchandising website sources should be changed to the product's official website (ex: his guitars sourced to ESP Guitars' website). But I am basically useless in this as I really don't know how to cite that well. Xfansd (talk) 20:53, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. I am not all that great at adding sources either, nor interpreting some policies, which is why I opened up a request for comment. Hopefully this RFC will result in the article becoming much better as more experienced editors take a look at it. The Eskimo (talk) 21:03, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Official fan club biography, 1964–1986". hide-city.com. Archived from the original on 2007-05-10. Retrieved 2007-05-21.
  2. ^ Hide Your Face Photo & Band Score. Doremi Music Publishing. ISBN 4-8108-3853-6.
  3. ^ Psyence. Doremi Music Publishing. ISBN 4-8108-3969-9.
  4. ^ "Dare Strap for Guitarists with Back or Neck Pain". guitarsite.com. Retrieved 2007-09-19.
  5. ^ As seen on the Alivest Perfect Stage video release.
  6. ^ Strauss, Neil (1998-06-18). "The Pop Life: End of a Life, End of an Era". nytimes.com. Retrieved 2007-05-21.
  7. ^ Seno, Alexandra A. (1998-05-22). "Isolated in Their Grief". asiaweek.com. Retrieved 2007-05-21. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

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Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 14:33, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]


I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:33, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Images are appropriately licensed.

  • What makes the following reliable sources?
    • hide-city.com
    • jame-world.com -- per this page this is a fan site
  • "the members of X Japan took a break, to start solo projects. Around that time, the group also dropped most of its original visual kei aesthetics, except Hide who would still perform in wildly colorful outfits and with his trademark red, later pink, hair." is all cited to "As seen on the Dahlia Tour Final 1996 video release." That could be used for the hair and outfits, though it's a weak source, but not for the other information.
  • "ALIVEST perfect stage [1,000,000 cuts hide! hide! hide!] (DVD). Universal Music. December 13, 2000. JAN 4988005257543." This source is used for a couple of things, but appears to just be a DVD. It's not really possible to verify something if you have to watch an entire DVD to do so. Can you give a time or time range to aid verifiability?
  • The same applies to FN 30, "We Are X - Limited Edition Mondo Steelbook".
  • "and Taiji theorizes in his autobiography that on the night of his death, Hide may have been practicing a technique to relieve upper back and neck pains which guitarists can suffer from due to continuous use of a shoulder strap": this is not sourceable to the site you use for it.
  • "The technique involved was practiced by the X Japan members during their touring days and required the use of a towel and a doorknob or handle": this is not sourceable to a site about pain management.

The above has made me concerned about the sourcing, so I'm going to spot check a few. Footnote number refer to this version.

  • FN 32 & 33 are listed above as failing verification.
  • FN 40: "the group would continue to perform and record for several years. While they never achieved mainstream success in the United States one of their songs was included on the soundtrack for Heavy Metal 2000" sourced to an Amazon listing of a soundtrack. Not a usable source for this even if it did have the information.
  • FN 59: "As with many other deceased musicians, re-issues, remixes, compilations and previously unreleased portions of Hide's work continue to be published. One of the most recent being "The Devolution Project", a release of his original eleven singles on picture disc vinyl, throughout 2010" only partially covered by the source.
  • Unsourced sentence in the 1998-2010 section

These problems took almost no time to find. I'm going to fail the article; I think it needs a thorough review of the sourcing before being renominated. I reviewed source reliability through the first 30 or so footnotes, but there may be more unreliable source further down; that should be reviewed too before renominating. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:06, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Meh. I didn't realize the problems were that extensive - Japanese rock is out of my comfort zone in content area, but I thought it was worth a try. I do not speak any Japanese and have difficulty understanding some of these sources, but the fact that so many were used gave me hope that this article was ready. I also had less idea about the reliability of the sources considering what I'm writing about, but the old PR gave me a little confidence that maybe it was alright. Oh well, it was worth a try. dannymusiceditor oops 19:07, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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