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problems with Minefield[edit]

Hello Husky!
Minefield seems to dislike ampersand characters in the filename. I had problems with File:War cemetery for World war I in Marchtrenk, Lower Austria, Austria-italian section-field D&E PNr°0642.jpg. I also had the same problems with two other files in the same category (both with ampersand), but the rest worked fine. I'm not sure where do you want to collect bug reports --D-Kuru (talk) 18:15, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@D-Kuru:, the problem wasn't the ampersand, but the fact that Minefield only accepted Commons URLs and i guess you were feeding it en.wikipedia.org URLs. I updated the tool: it will now accept any URL, as long as it starts with `http` and includes `/wiki/` somewhere. Hope that helps!

Husky ^{(talk page)} 21:20, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the fast reply! I don't think so. The input just was "File:War cemetery for World war I in Marchtrenk, Lower Austria, Austria-italian section-field D&E PNr°0642.jpg". I did not include any website. I got this error:

"-","error","File:War cemetery for World war I in Marchtrenk, Lower Austria, Austria-italian section-field D","-"

And since it stopped at the ampersand, and this as well as this image were the only ones from Category:War cemetery Marchtrenk (first world war) that didn't work I thought that it might don't like the ampersand since the filename is pretty much the exact same.

--D-Kuru (talk) 21:31, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@D-Kuru:, you're right. I wasn't considering the fact that you were using page titles instead of URLs. It was a bit more complicated, and like you expected, the ampersand was indeed the culprit. Things should work now!

Husky ^{(talk page)} 22:00, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just tested it. Everything seems to work fine. Thanks for the fast fix. --D-Kuru (talk) 12:49, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

👍

Husky ^{(talk page)} 14:30, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think I found another batch of filenames:

The interesting thing is that these worked:

~~The only idea I have right now is the length of the filename~~

On preview I saw that the files do not exist. The reason is that Minefield seems to remove some parts of the filename. See

File:SMATRICS high performance charging site Designer Outlet Center Salzburg at Kasernenstraße 1 in Salzburg, Salzburg, Austria-station CCS CHAdeMO plug PNr°0700.jpg

in comparison to

File:SMATRICS high performance charging site Designer Outlet Center Salzburg at Kasernenstraße 1 in Salzburg, Salzburg, Austria-station CCS+CHAdeMO plug PNr°0700.jpg

The "+" is missing --D-Kuru (talk) 10:38, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@D-Kuru:, thanks for reporting this. I guess the '+' could be a problem indeed, might be an URL encoding issue. I've made a ithub issue for your problem, hope i'm able to fix this soon.

Husky ^{(talk page)} 11:15, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikimedia Documentation Directory - the link seems not working[edit]

Hello Husky, When addressing the https://hay.toolforge.org/wdd/ nothing more than a black page loads. Is it my fault or is there some problem? OrCer (talk) 13:43, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@OrCer:, no this is not your fault. That project has been deprecated for a long time (although i guess that could be indicated better) which means that when it fails i won't fix it anymore :)

Husky ^{(talk page)} 14:30, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Smithson Broken Circle image idea[edit]

Hello Husky, I'm Netherzone. I've worked on the Smithson article and have it on my watchlist and noticed the new photo you added of the Broken Circle piece in Emmen. Nice! The new photo is great in terms of letting our readership know what it looks like now, but I have a thought I want to share with you. It also seems important for readers to understand what this earthwork lookedd like when the piece was first made. How about if we include both images nested within one frame along with the dates of the two images. I've never done that sort of image group coding, but it doesn't seem that it would be too hard to figure out. Let me know your thoughts on including a "before" and "after" image. With these types of works that continue to change over time, it seems important. Best to you from another continent, Netherzone (talk) 23:43, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Netherzone:, i definitely agree with you that with works like this it's interesting to see the passage of time and i think a 'before' and 'after' frame would add something to the article. However, the image i've replaced was unfortunately not from when the piece was first installed in 1971, it's actually from a pretty recent date (2009). I'm not sure if it would really add something to the article. But i do think the 2009 picture would work really well in a separate article on the piece. The Dutch Wikipedia actually has an article on the piece, i was a bit surprised the English WP doesn't. If you would be up for it i could make a start by doing a partial translation of the Dutch article, and then maybe you could expand it a bit?

Husky ^{(talk page)} 21:02, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Husky: all good thoughts and ideas. I'll see if I can find a 1971 photo to pair with the 2009 image to show the progression over time. I agree that Broken Circle is a good candidate for a stand alone article. I've got a fairly comprehensive collection of books on Smithson in my home library. I will see what I can find, it shouldn't be too hard. If you can take a bit of time to start translating the Dutch article, that would be great. I've started a sandbox here: User:Netherzone/sandbox/Broken Circle/Spiral Hill -- Netherzone (talk) 21:49, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Netherzone: great! I wonder if you're able to find a picture from 1971 thats freely licensed... I'll see what i can add from the Dutch article to your sandbox.

Husky ^{(talk page)} 09:19, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and started an article: Broken Circle/Spiral Hill. Please add any contributions there, rather than to the sandbox linked above. The infobox image is from 2006, which shows the Broken Circle element much the way it looked when it was first build, based on the non-free images I've found from the original 1971 installment. (No reeds or grasses growing in the water or surrounding the edges of the interior canal; distortions of the banks due to erosion & vegetation "cleaned up", I'm guessing by the city of Emmen as routine maintenance of the work.) Netherzone (talk) 18:58, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Netherzone:, nice work! Really happy that the work now finally has an English article as well. I expanded it with some sources on maintenance and the location. One sentence in the article i was a bit surprised by is this one: After the Sonsbeek temporary exhibit ended, the people of Emmen voted to keep Broken Circle/Spiral Hill as a permanent park. That seems unlikely. The quarry site has as far as i can find in sources, always been private property and used as an active quarry by the De Boer family until 2019. I did find some sources about restoration works on the project in 1972 (i'll add those to the article), but nothing about a public vote. Something very interesting from that article (i hope Google Translate allows you to read the article) is that apparently Smithson made another work for the Sonsbeek exhibition. A Stonehenge-like observatory apparently, that was never fully realised because of ground problems at the proposed site.

Husky ^{(talk page)} 10:12, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Husky, The article is looking good. We still need some citations on the unsourced material (which I'm guessing was unsourced in the Dutch version?) Re: the surprising sentence, here is what the Robert Smithson: Retrospective book says: Commissioned as a temporary piece for the Sonsbeek International art exhibition (1971), this work was so popular that the people of Emmen voted to maintain it permanently as a park - but according to what you've written above, it seems this never happened. I think it's best to remove the sentence. If we find something to substantiate this, it can be added back in the future. I'll look for the article you linked. Interesting to know about the unrealized Stonehenge-like project. I looked for a drawing of it in Eugenie Tsai's book and also in the Smithson drawing book from the Kunstraum München, but did not find it. What I did find in Tsai's book is a drawing called Meandering Canal (Emmen) 1971 that was never realized - a canal with four deep "oxbows" and four hills. Very cool looking! It somehow reminded me of the Serpent Mound. Netherzone (talk) 12:19, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Netherzone:, thanks! I'll try and find a source for the fact that the De Boer family worked on the project (it was in the audio tour, but i'll look for a text source). Considering the other fact (about the distance of the site from Arnhem), that seems a bit redundant: that's something that can be verified by a search query on any random map service or an atlas.

Husky ^{(talk page)} 14:50, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good, and the article is looking really good. Here's a thought - would you be interested in jointly submitting the article as a DYK for the main page? It's eligible for nomination within 7 days of creation. If we are able to source everything (or remove any unsourced content), I'm sure we can come up with an interesting Did you know... "hook", and image. The Smithson quote is quite evocative, might be a good place to start looking for a "hook"? Netherzone (talk) 17:15, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Netherzone: a DYK would be lovely. Are there specific instances where you think we need more references? I just updated the section on Sjouke Zijlstra who turns out to be a he, not a she (Dutch names are confusing sometimes). A couple of DYK hooks i could think of:

Did you know that...

the only work by land artist Robert Smithson not in the US is in a former sand quarry in Emmen, the Netherlands?
a 1971 land art piece from Robert Smithson that was supposed to be temporary is still maintained after fifty years?
Robert Smithson made a land art piece with a boulder in the center that he suggests is a warning from the Ice Age?
an abandoned sand quarry in the Dutch city of Emmen is the location of a famous piece of land art?

Husky ^{(talk page)} 11:15, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking in a quirky direction for a Hook, capitalizing on Smithson’s unique way of talking/writing about his work. We could also consider combining parts of your more factual hooks with the more quirky content to draw in readership.

Did you know that…

…the land artist, Robert Smithson was “haunted” by a glacial erratic boulder?
...artist Robert Smithson’s work Broken Circle/Spiral Hill was inspired a 1953 flooding disaster in the Netherlands and felt "haunted" by a glacial erratic boulder?
…Robert Smithson suggested that the boulder in the center of his piece Broken Circle/Spiral Hill was a “warning from the Ice Age?”
a famous piece of land art has existed in an abandoned industrial sand quarry in the Dutch town of Emmen for the past 50 years?

As to an image, the two I like best is one that you shot in 2021, or one that Gerardus shot in 2009.

Once we decide on these matters, I think the only other thing left to resolve are the three unsourced sentences that end paragraphs. (distance from Arnheim; De Boer family; planting of vegetation by the city) We might want to simply remove these three sentences, but keep them on an off-article “to do” list in the event that one of us can find sourcing in the future. The article is still very strong without these three sentences. - Netherzone (talk) 13:48, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Netherzone:, great suggestions. I think i like your second suggestion the best because it combines the most facts in a single sentence and still feels quirky enough. I added references to the three open facts you mentioned. I leave the choice of choosing the best image up to you, i think it's best if the photographer of one of the two pictures is not involved in that choice :).

Husky ^{(talk page)} 14:18, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I too like the second suggested hook, but just realized I need to adjust the wording because it is grammatically incorrect. Here is a re-write:

Did you know that...artist Robert Smithson’s work Broken Circle/Spiral Hill was inspired a 1953 flooding disaster in the Netherlands, and he felt "haunted" by a glacial erratic boulder?

I prefer your photo for the image, as it is descriptive of the work in 2021, and shows the readers that in 50 years its shape has been maintained. That in itself is an impressive act of devotion towards an temporary work of art that never had an official maintenance plan.

Do you know if it is ok to have red links in DYK's? If not, I'll unlink the two in the article for now. Also, do you have thoughts on which of the hooks would make good alternates (or even if alternates are necessary)? I like my #3 and your #2 & #3. Today is a busy day for me but I can work on this tomorrow and Friday, and will nominate in both our names. This has been a fun project to work on with you, thank you! Netherzone (talk) 14:33, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Netherzone:. I don't know if red links are allowed, it would be nice if that is bait for the next editor/reader to start those articles. I think your #3 and my #2 would be the best alternatives. Great if you can nominate the article, and indeed: a really fun project to work on together. Really glad that this work finally has a proper, well-referenced article. If i ever find any other Smithson works that lack an article i'll send you a message ;)

Husky ^{(talk page)} 14:56, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Husky, I'm nominated the article as a DYK. It's listed under articles created on Sept. 6. There is a link on the article talk page to the nomination Broken Circle/Spiral Hill#Did you know nomination. When you find a moment, did you want to have a look at the nom to make sure I've not made any mistakes? Netherzone (talk) 13:34, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Netherzone:, the nomination seems fine, thanks for making the effort!

Husky ^{(talk page)} 21:28, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Depictor and watchlist[edit]

Greetings. Thank you for having developed Depictor. It is a fun and efficient tool to tag structured data. Is there a way to configure the tool in order for the files not to be automatically included in one's Commons watchlist? --Webfil (talk) 14:19, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Webfil:, good question. I think you've probably enabled the 'Add pages and files I edit to my watchlist' preference, which will automatically add all Depictor edits to your watchlist. I don't think i can prevent anything from the Depictor side with that setting enabled. You might be able to add a manual filter to your watchlist to prevent Depictor edits from appearing (all those editors are being tagged), but i'm not sure how that would work.

Husky ^{(talk page)} 10:55, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your feedback, it's appreciated. --Webfil (talk) 11:41, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Broken Circle/Spiral Hill[edit]

On 29 September 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Broken Circle/Spiral Hill, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the artist Robert Smithson suggested that the boulder in the center of his piece Broken Circle/Spiral Hill was a "warning from the Ice Age"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Broken Circle/Spiral Hill. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Broken Circle/Spiral Hill), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Happy holidays[edit]

Everlasting Fireworks looped	Bring on the cheer!
	Hi Husky, May you have a bright and beautiful holiday season, thank you for your help with the Broken Circle/Spiral Hill article. Have a happy and healthy 2022! Netherzone (talk) 17:17, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Netherzone (talk) 17:17, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Netherzone: How nice of you, thank you so much!

Husky ^{(talk page)} 10:58, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hay’s tool directory index stuck ?[edit]

Hi, it seems the crawler of your tool directory is stuck in febuary ? https://hay.toolforge.org/directory/crawler.log

Is it normal ? TomT0m (talk) 10:50, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@TomT0m:, could well be, the Tool Directory needs some maintenance, but i'm a bit stuck on time for now so this could be a while. In the meantime you could try the new Toolhub, which is supposed to have the same information but more up-to-date.

Husky ^{(talk page)} 12:56, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks ! I probably searched for toolhub in the first place, but for some reason yours might still be easier to find. TomT0m (talk) 13:35, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Duplicate boxes on hay.toolforge.org[edit]

On https://hay.toolforge.org/directory/#/keyword/Wikimedia%20Commons this is shown in two different boxes:

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This might just be the tip of the iceberg. Jidanni (talk) 09:01, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I think this is because for some reason it's submitted two times in a toolinfo.json. The Directory probably should check for duplicates in the crawler. I'll add it to my to-do list but it might take a while. You might also take a new look at Toolhub (toolhub.wikimedia.org), it's a bit more up-to-date.

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