Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Category:Quebec actors

The following discussion comes from Wikipedia:Categories for deletion. This is an archive of the discussion only; please do not edit this page. -Kbdank71 21:34, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Delete: 2 Keep: 4 Consensus is to keep.

Category:Quebec actors

Delete. Empty and duplicated by Category:Canadian actors. -Kbdank71 21:00, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• non-voting comment: I wouldn't say it is duplicated by Category:Canadian actors but that this broader category would be a suitable home for contents ... err, future contents of the targeted category. Courtland 23:41, 2005 Mar 8 (UTC)
• KEEP, the Quebec entertainment industry is the most vibrant in Canada, but most Quebecers who would follow Quebec actors would not probably think of them as Canadian. Further, most Canadians outside of Quebec would not know anything about Quebec actors (and vice versa). OFcourse it is empty... 132.205.45.148 20:50, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

If their entertainment industry is the most vibrant in Canada, why is the category empty? And what's the justification for keeping an empty category? (and way off topic, but if Quebec is in Canada, why don't Quebecers think of themselves as Canadian? I'm from New Jersey, but I'm also think of myself as an American. Is is just me?) -Kbdank71 18:58, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The category was depopulated by a now-banned user. What distinguishes Quebec actors is that they work mostly in French (and note Quebec is also culturally and even linguistically (dialect) very different from France). Acting is part of culture, and it's natural to categorize and classify cultural topics according to cultural dividing lines rather than political ones. -- Curps 20:46, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Delete - there are too many categories already. We don't need to start more for each country's provinces, states, regions and so on. Ted Wilkes 19:48, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• • So... a category for Tibet actors, or Flemish actors is unacceptable since there's a discontinuity in cultural content in those countries? (China, Belgium). It ***not*** for a separate state/province, it's for a regional unit within a country with a culturally different background. So I would not have a separate cat for each state/province, but I would for those that are culturally different enough (ie. Corsica, Catalonia, Zanzibar, ...) 132.205.15.43 22:27, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Keep - English Canadian television and movies and French (Quebec) television and movies are very much separate worlds, with very little crossover or overlap. In fact, you would have a much stronger case for merging Canadian actors and American actors into a single "North American actors" category, because so many Canadian actors work in the US and some have taken US citizenship or dual citizenship. Sorry, but this nomination makes no sense at all. Cultural topics should be classified according to cultural dividing lines, not politics. Don't disrupt Wikipedia to make a point. The category could be populated easily enough, but will necessarily remain relatively small... most English speaking users have only very limited interest in actors who work in a non-English language, no matter how much of a household name they may be in their own home turf. -- Curps 22:44, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Comment. Looking at the edit history, it seems that it is empty only because the now-banned User:JillandJack depopulated it. That should be fixed. -- Curps 22:47, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. Even if I think all this "Quebec isn't Canada" stuff is fluff and nonsense, that's my POV so it doesn't matter. People believe it, so Wikipedia should reflect it. Unless, of course, no one puts any articles back in this cat soon. --A D Monroe III 11:47, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Politically, Quebec is part of Canada. But culturally it is very much a separate world. From the point of view of popular culture and language, English Canada and the United States are very similar: virtually all of the top-rated TV shows on English-Canadian television are American shows (except hockey :-). However, the top-rated shows on French-language television in Quebec are all homegrown shows (not shows from France or anywhere else), usually prominently using Quebec French slang and dialect and pronunciation. There is a "star system" which really doesn't exist anymore in Hollywood... some popular entertainers not only act but also do stand-up comedy and morning radio shows (!). Really, it is a very, very different world from English Canadian movies or television. Trust me on this if you haven't done the research. -- Curps 20:46, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Category:Canadian actors is enormous and can stand to be subdivided. However, I hope that some of the folks who have been defending it here will work on populating it after this discussion is over. -Aranel ("Sarah") 02:56, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)