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Why is Eddie not described as "Dutch-American" despite him being born and growing up in the Netherlands, ever renouncing his citizenship? The infobox even states his nationality as both American and Dutch. Qbox673 (talk) 15:53, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia's standards on how to describe someone in this manner are noted at MOS:ETHNICITY. In this case "In most modern-day cases, this will be the country, region, or territory, where the person is currently a citizen, national, or permanent resident; or, if the person is notable mainly for past events, where the person was a citizen, national, or permanent resident when the person became notable...Similarly, neither previous nationalities nor the country of birth should be mentioned in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability." Eddie Van Halen was a resident of the U.S. during the entire time he was notable; being born in the Netherlands is true, it has been determined that birth alone is not directly relevant to the opening paragraph. Of course, being born in the Netherlands is mentioned elsewhere in the article, which is fine. We aren't trying to hide it, but insofar as the lead paragraph is a summary, we only summarize the most notable parts of a person's life, and he didn't do anything much notable while living in the Netherlands. --Jayron32 16:07, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think we need to reach a consensus. Look at the edit history of this article. Various editors added Dutch to the lead sentence. Clearly just including American alone in the lead sentence is misleading and causing confusion. I am fully aware of the MOS:ETHNICITY guidelines. I think a good compromise would be to say "Dutch-born American" in the lead sentence like on the most recent edit in the article or add a note to American that clarifies he was born in the Netherlands. Same goes for Alex. Bowling is life (talk) 20:41, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
To note, I removed the recent edit as this discussion has just started. I have no qualms either way, but leave it status-quo until this discussion is complete. - FlightTime (open channel) 21:11, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I can tell, it's mainly anonymous IPs who are making the changes. I don't see how MOS:ETHNICITY isn't clear in this case especially where it states specifically that we don't mention the place of birth. There is no allowance for "X-born Y". Nor do we even need to mention that he was Dutch in the lead sentence as it in the infobox and in his early history section as well as in the short description (I'm not sure it belongs there but I haven't looked into it).
Also, we had already reached a consensus (see the archives). SQGibbon (talk) 04:48, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I changed the text in the intro indicating that tapping can be used to play "rapid arpeggios," to say "rapid arpeggios and melodies." FlightTime reverted as unsourced OR. But the original claim has no citation either, so if my edit contains too much original reasoning to exist without a citation, shouldn't the whole sentence be deleted? Also, although in a strict sense my edit makes the sentence contain more words, I would argue it actually makes the sentence contain less original reasoning. (Wouldn't it be more original research to claim a guitar technique only allows you to play arpeggios? Some factor would have to intervene to prevent you from playing non-arpeggio notes.) Also, in the Two-handed tapping section of the Tapping page, it already refers to playing melodies without a citation specifically saying that melodies are possible. If my edit meets the bar for OR, it seems like that should be deleted too. 71.233.115.244 (talk) 02:06, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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